Aug. 18, 2020

#35: Adventures of an Irish farm vet. With Hazell Mullins.

#35: Adventures of an Irish farm vet. With Hazell Mullins.
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Hazell Mullins is young and energetic and a little bit glamorous, but she’s also a very hardworking hardcore cow vet in her home country of Ireland. She shatters the stereotype of the tweed-hat-wearing bearded farm vet and is one of the fore-runners of what is the next generation of leaders in the large animal veterinary field. We chat to her about how things have changed for female farm vets over the last few years. Hazell tells us about the day to day life of an Irish farm vet, why spring is scary when you’re a cow vet on the British Isles and gives us her tips for preparing for periods of high stress. We discuss surviving on call, the merits of post-grad studying, using social media as a tool, and she tells us about her podcast, Vet Space Ireland, plus much much more. 

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And I think that's something that you have to learn as a large animal.Vet kind of triaging triage yourself into your schedule of your day, because if you don't do that and you put every cow ahead of yourself, then you're going to be no good to anyone.Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
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Now, back to our guests for the episode.When we recently asked dr.Louisa Graham, who she would recommend, as a guest for the show.She told us that we should definitely speak to dr.Hazel Mullins, who is the vet on the move on Instagram.And yet, again, Louisa was right.Hazel is Young and energetic and a bit glamorous, but she's also a very hardworking hardcore Kuwait in Ireland.
She shattered The Stereotype of Of the Tweed hat wearing Miss stashed, male largest bed and is one of the forerunners of what seems to be the next generation of leaders in the large animal veterinary field, which had to her about how the female Farm vets are rocking it, and about how things have changed in that regard.
Over the last few years, Hazel Tells us what the day-to-day work, our UK Farm with looks like why spring is scary.If you're a cow of it and she gives us her tip for preparing for periods of high stress.We discussed surviving on call the merits of post-grad studying.Social media is a tool we talked about hazel And podcast called vet space Island and much.
Much more.Please enjoy Hazel pallets.Yeah, it'll be fine.We'll chat away.Hello hazel and welcome to the vet.Well, hello guys, how are you?We are cold and you are warm and you're an island.I am and we're in Australia.That's not right.I know.
It's like the one time it's hot in Ireland and I'm on a podcast with Australians and I'm like and yeah, it's 24 degrees.So we are baking because we're not mad.Temperature it is there.And when I was thinking like hot is like 37 degrees close to 40 and they do, I think he's in your baking.
We just think we would disintegrate if it was 30 degrees, don't mock the Dorado and I lived there.I was saying to Hazel, before we started chatting, I was at the same like he has done, no one heart is and the first day, it was even near 25.
I nearly died.It's a, it's a hard mug.I don't know what it is and it's like the kind is not set up for it.I remember sweating sweating through those Consulting because I remember to my ultimate shame, my first time, going in the UK, I thought I was immune to the bridge.
I said, said outside a pub and I got so, so Britt was around it.Yeah.Yeah.Is it really Burns?If it does to, you were saying before like the you're not set up for it.Like is like there's no air cons and things like that and it in In Queensland, you go from air, cond.
Aircon the aircon.So no, I'm shops.Do I suppose?I ver con but I'd say very few best practices are.If they are con and our practice we quite modern and we don't have are cons.We have this emergency fan that we bring in when it goes above 20 degrees and everyone is just melting but you see we love the sun.
We're all like oh my God it's sunny and then we complain all the way through it and about We are and dozens of people drown every every time.The sun's out of the UK here in the radio, we got three people drowned today.Yeah.
Well, we all just flock to the beaches and we're all yeah.We just saw the new thing.Now we all we all jump into the freezing water, but I think at the water is about 17 degrees at the moment.So we're all like, oh my God, it's so hot.Wow, yeah, it's great.
But it's, I just got a new Van for work and it has air conditioning.And I honestly, I don't know how I survived without it yesterday.I had it on full blast out and like for the last, you know, three years.I've died going from called call with no aircon.
It's really nice yet.You know see you guys of us?Do you drive around?You're doing large.He's as I write or yeah.So I'm a large animal vet.So I do all my calls are cows.And I do the odd horse called maybe the odd sheep called, and then you've got the very, very odd kind of goat or a pig or something that shows up.
But yeah, it's all them on the roads in my van, you know, me and the podcasts are radio and just yeah, it's good.It's nice to have that little bit of time to yourself and going from place to place but it's every day is very, you know, you never know where you're going to be really unless Do you have like appointments and socially?
Kind of very very good.Yeah.It's a part of a bigger practice like the other Central practice and then you'll on the road or yeah, yeah so I work for Abbeville which is a 9V practice in Cork and the southern part of Ireland.
And so there's five full-time, small animal vets and then for kind of large animal but they do a little bit of small as well.So mixed vets.I do maybe One cynical week of small animals, but generally I would be classed as a large animal vet.
And then we've got two branches, so into the suburbs of cork.So it's yeah, it's good to good to have a good team and a good rotor, which is nice.So, the it's so nice to have a larger threat on.I must admit, I have to apologize to all the largest listeners because we tend to favor.
Their not favored.It's just all the people we know are small, is red, so it's great to dig into the life of a largest bit a little bit.The first thing I want to ask about the sort of the obvious thing to me is and it's actually when I was researching you the other day and checking out your socials and that it was quite apparent.
There was a photo of you at some largest vet conference and it was very easy to find you because you're the only female in the picture.So go I am very much a male-dominated part of the profession or Females in the, in the largest bit profession.
I definitely, I definitely think we are.I definitely notice that when I used to go to talks like I'm qualified seven years.When I used to go to talks in my first job, I might be, there might be one or two out of 20 bets at a talk, like, an evening talk.But now, I definitely feel like it's, you know, this probably 50/50.
I would say a lot more of my friends are working in large animal, in my like, an International University in the UK.And girls two boys was 80/20.So the boys had their pick.A lot of the girls actually went into large and a lot of the boys that started off interested in large animal.
They're actually in small animals so it was interesting that that happened and they came from farms and things like that but I think sometimes it's just the work, the work life balance that maybe puts people more towards small and but no, I definitely think that I definitely know.
Both ladies are on the up in the large animal front.Definitely.So when I, when we lived in the UK, many moons ago, and try to always likes to make jokes about my age, but probably that puts about 15 years ago and my wife surveyed as well and we worked in a mixed breakfast.
But I did the smallest and she did a little bit of mixed and back then.So this was an in-country Wales.Most people were accepting.We're happy to have and dreams of the clients the farmers, but they still It was a little bit of resistance, he was still some farmers who like, it's the critical rate coming.
Do you find much of that are people generally your clients generally pretty open to, to having female vets now.I think generally very open and you know, someone for some Farmers even request that we come out.You know, there's I have another small or large animal female colleague as well and it's great.
When you hear that and would they ask you ask, for you on the phone, went for it.Ice and everything.But you know, you do get the odd comment, but sometimes it comes from a good place.Sometimes it's it's, you know.Oh look, I've got five lame cows.I'd rather have one of the guys just don't really feel.
It's a job for hazel or her.Mairead is my female colleague and that's fine.I don't really mind that because that comes from a good place.But I did have one my most recent kind of encounter with maybe sexism it would be that There was a farmer and he had a call, and he asked my manager.
Oh, what better in the area and two of us happen to be in the area married and myself, and he said, oh, well, no vet so and that really hurt because that's like dust that was it, that was a real, you know, token, the hearts, because we work so hard.
We went through the same degree.We work, we have a lot of knowledge, And, you know, there's no reason and to undermine female vets like that.And I just think, especially when we've done nothing out of the way as well.Like, we haven't gone in the farm and done anything.
It was just because we were female, which was a little bit of a blow.But you know, for that car for that client.Now I will I will do emergency work but I won't I won't go out and do and typical calls because if they're not going to respect me, then then just think it's his See we think.
Yeah.Yeah.But that that that was a very extreme example and bought every one as well.I am like in a long line of female vets that have worked in Cork.So farmers are well used to it now, but I do think sometimes it comes from a good place that they just feel like though, the work is slightly physical and I don't really want to get them hurt or cause injury, and blogs.
You know, sometimes you're like, okay, that's fine.They could go do it.But generally, it's very, we're very accepted, and it's great.It's a real shift and it's wonderful to see so many female large animal vets succeeding in life and getting on and places.Yeah, that's good.
Hmm.You because I haven't done prac work and a long time but what are the common things you guys see?Now like what you guys when you guys go out for it?So if So you said the area, is it Dairy?
Is, it was dark.Yeah.Yeah.Come could be very very dairy-based.Yes.Now up towards the west of Ireland and the Midlands would be more beef cows.Suckler cows.So the ladies working up here and the guys working up there have a lot more C-sections carvings with tough work and like I would still do a lot of C-sections but are in Ireland.
I work is very seasonal similar, kind of more to the New Zealand type of farming that you know just opposite way around So our real busy season is from the end of January to kind of me.So that's when we have all our emergency, exciting work.
So our C-sections mastitis as pneumonia and calves, scarring calves, you kind of name us, it could show up and then the summertime then, as more appointment work.So scanning TV testing 1, TB testing is all year round, but a lot of it is done in the summer as well and yeah, just the general like the The odd sick animal, but it's definitely more routine, kind of work at the moment in the summer and then you get the exciting stuff after Christmas.
But scary as well, Springtime can be very scary for a vet.It's a big jump from being kind of a little bit more relaxed and work and then all of a sudden it's like full on a any stuff.So skits carrying in what way scaring away that you haven't done things in a while.
I find, you know, you guys probably Do your small animal like stays and castrates every day and it was not theirs.Never probably a big gap between doing something and then but like you get so good at doing sections for five months and then you've got whatever a couple of months off and then your back into it again and you're like, oh God, how do I do this?
Where do I go?Where do I start?Do I have my surgery kit ready do I have my van setup?I'm it's just, yeah, and then you're worried because you've had lots of sleep and all of a sudden now, you know, you're not going to have any sleep.Beep.And then it's just, you know, it's the exhaustion, you're worried about its the calls, it's the unknown.
And also the danger side of things because cattle are very dangerous.So I think there's always an element of trying to keep yourself safe as well.So, yeah, just a competition and then once you're in it, you kind of get used to it and you just ride through it.It is just that initial starting in January there.
That's very scary.So what would be your day would be like An average day around January, okay?So, say the 25th of January there, you could say that's been scarred.And you it's like that last week of January is like, it's such a shock.
It's like, oh okay, I'm back to us.But yeah, like you could get a call at 6:00 in the morning say and I hear the love.Got a CO cabin Grant go out and do it could have been a section.So So, you're probably opportunity early 9:00 before you get out there, get everything ready.
Do the section finish then you bring into the office, the office could say, right?Hazel maybe just grab a cup of coffee and head to a mastitis cow.Then you could have another calving.Yeah, continues on, you might get lunch, you might not.So you have food in the car and then 6:00 comes your kind of feeling a bit weary.
You might get home and get dinner and then next thing, the phone rings.Again, something else now, usually So you have your weekend, maybe two or three nights in a row and then usually you have like one or two nights in the week, then.So you do you have the next night off?But you don't have the next day off if you understand me.
So I don't work, you work through now, some practices, do some practices.If you work a weekend, you might have a day off in the week, or if you work an, ER case, you might have the next day, maybe until lunch time off or something like that, but a lot of the practices in Ireland, you just, you just keep going.
And I think that is something that can catch up on this is exhaustion.Yeah, so you kind of need to take your nights off and your sleep when you can get it.And yeah, so you could be working a full 24 hours on the road, but it's rare, but it can happen.I've had had two or three all-nighters in my in my lifetime, so it is there.
Wow.And the one thing I keep thinking anybody who hasn't lived, the has lived in the UK.If she, if you say January, Clock in the afternoon, that's dark and it's freaking cold.If somebody finds you at 6:00 in the morning for a carving, it's not exactly Australian 6:00 in the morning, it's old know.
How do you mean?It's genuine Australia to 6:00 in the morning probably 25 degrees already.Exactly just swap it around and maybe lower the temperature by 10?Yeah, yeah.How do you sustain that?Because you look like you love it and I am looking at your face and when you talk about it you seem excited and so one of the exciting fun stuff and it is fun, right?
Yeah.Amanda I do both as far as I know Jerry we both had ideas of being the mixed rate than the farm rate and drive around.And it was just too much.I watched it, I did a smidge of larges work in South Africa and it just wasn't for me.How do you sustain it?
How do you sustain your enthusiasm, you know?Yeah.I'm sometime sometimes I'm definitely not as enthusiastic as this like I do have little days as well and I have days where I just want to throw it all in and just go and do something else but I think you go and have it go to a case and the farmer is just delighted that you've cured the cow or you bring new life into the world.
You have a cow or I don't know.Even seem like a even if you're up early and you see a sunrise or something it's just you have to take the good with the bad.Dad and I think you've so many bad.You can have so many bad days that you just have to really hang on to the good ones.And I think what helps with me as well as the rotor like I it's a tough enough rotor but in Spring there's two of us aren't all the time.
Okay.So the work can be shared.So if you are absolutely like dangerous to drive, there could be someone else there to help you.I'm which I'm very lucky and I know I'm not like there's so many practices across the UK and Ireland that don't That and I don't know how they cope.
And I must say that I am.I am very lucky with my realtor.And, you know, I do get sleep, but some days, you can literally fall in the door.I've cried, you know, crying in springtime is just generally, something that happens and I will put my hand up and say that I do cry when exhaustion and I cry like you just get into bed and the phone rings that is like You might have had just like had a nice hot shower and you just got into bed.
And next thing up you guys and the farmers like hazel this is going to be a section.I'd say I'll get the bucket ready and I'm like, okay I'll be there in half an hour and they're always, they're so lovely there.Like hazel, I'm so sorry for bringing you at this hour of the night and I'm like, it's okay.
And then and you wake up and it's so funny.When you answer the phone, I always liked them.I answer the phone, kind of like trying to trying to seem like I've been awake for hours.And it could be four in the morning and they're like, oh Hazel, I'm so sorry for I'm like, no, it's fine.
And then I got off the phone and I'm like, oh God, who is that?That rang me.Oh God!Yeah, so that's ever happened.I found out to the wrong farmer, but it is a bit like, how did I even answer that phone?I'm not even awake.Yeah, it's a very it's a very weird time.
Springtime, it's kind of.It really is like a running on adrenaline and yeah and you're talking to Me now, you know, and summertime and I am I'm, you know, I've had I'm quite rested.So the benefit of hindsight, everything looks better in Italy, but it is.
Yeah, so you just accept that it's going to be that way.Now, I've got a couple questions the first one to be like, so apart from sleep.What else do you try to keep going during during that time?
Because a lot of people go through a busy period.A one Domino Falls over which is kind of like that, you know, they don't get enough sleep.Then all of a sudden they let that that they then let that hit the next Domino, which is eating properly.Then they let that hit the next Domino, which is exercise, then that that hits the next Domino, which is spending time with friends or Partners like how do you stop it all going to brew and then life sucks and I hate this like me back and happen.
Yeah.Like you have explained.You've hit the nail on the head there that that can happen to so many people.And it has happened to me when I was newly graduated as well.And it is, I think as a person and quite a positive person.And I'm quite a, I've always been someone that just kept going and I think you can only keep going to a certain point and then your body just gives up and you experience burnout and I've definitely that's happened to me.
But answer your question, how do you stop that happening?It takes time.I think it takes time to learn that.Okay, I'm off now and Saturday.Okay, I might just sleep in a little bit now, but I need to go and have my nice coffee or I need to go and meet my friend.
I can't just stay in my room all day and you know, think about all the things that have happened last week say a cow died or you know, a farmer gave out to me, you just need to leave that behind and you need to enjoy your free time and you know, your nights off as well.You do need to, you know, do something nice.
You can't just get into bed and obviously if you're really exhausted you have to.But I think you just you just cope with this.I don't know why I think I think as well talking to other colleagues and talking to your management and your and your and your boss as well because they're going through spring as well.
I'm very lucky to work in a practice that has quite an open door to talk about things and we had we've had new grads working with us as well.And I worry about them, they're my main worry, because I've been there and I think yeah.I just think you can't go down that rabbit hole of of just exhaustion and not seeing anyone and not eating properly and getting a good lunch is, I mean, is a really important thing.
I know it's such a small thing but actually getting something to eat in the middle of the day, you might need it again till 9:00 or 10:00 at night.So I think it's really important that if you have a half an hour, if it's a sick cow, that's been sick for a week, you have half an hour to go and have your lunch.And I think that's something that you have to learn as a large animal, vet kind of triaging triage, or self into your schedule of your day.
Because if you don't do that and you put every cow ahead of yourself, then you're going to be no good to anyone.So she has your lunch.That's a good.That's good.I'm really sad that but yeah, it's a great, a great conversation to him.I remember when we, when we arrived at our practice in Wales, experiencing that exactly that.
Because we did on call as well.And, and, and like I said, lots of it was largest uncool as well and when you have that dry run of on call or a busy weekend, or And then you have that little stunt of a couple of days off.I remember asking there was another vid couple who worked in as well and they came from the camp came back from the weekend off, we like, what did you get up to this weekend?
I said nothing would just so exhausted.We just stayed at home and slept and bake pizza stuff.And, but my wife and I both looked at each other when shit that's, that's a rain dance because that you don't get that recharge that you need.If you are no, it's important to sleep.
But whether it's like they just gave up on A non-fun life in general, it's just work eat sleep and just go through the process.Whereas we would make those weekend's count and go for a hike and stay fit and stay mentally healthy.And then I see the same with the, with some of them.
You just mentioned, the new grads.I think it does take a while to.I think you need to learn the importance of.I've had mentees where we asked them, are you exercising?Nah, not time to exercise me go, hmm, that's that's bad.You should my you do is you should make time.
Hmm.Yeah, you definitely need to and I think, you know, going to the gym even after work.If you're tired, just do something small or go for a nice walk.Yeah, I definitely think you should should take take your free time and do something.I guess I see a lot of people that want on Instagram.Now a lot of large animal vets and it's great to see that there, you know, at the weekends they're doing some lovely things and going up mountains and like they're posting about it and showing I think also one thing is, when you're on call some people I've talked to people that they're Afraid to really go outside the door.
But look, you can go for a little walk, you can go, you know, you can meet your friend for coffee, just have the phone with you.I just think that I think we need to make good choices about our time and look, I'm on call a lot and I go and still live my life when I'm on call.
I don't say this waiting for calls to come because that's not a good, not good.Not a good team to get into.So, mmm to say, how do you not?How do you not look at the phone and hate the phone?You know?I mean, look at the phone to be anxious about the phone, you know, I mean, yeah, the phone is a LoveHate Thing, isn't it?
It allows you to communicate with the world but then it also gets you out of bed at 4:00 in the morning when you don't want to.But it's just one of those things that you can't control your life and, you know, I actually got em Apple watch.So if if I'm out for a coffee, my phone isn't on the on the table.
So if it Ring, I can be like oh farmer.Black is bringing me and he's take it or if it's someone else that I don't need to answer it, then I can just leave it.So some little things like that can really help because of your stressed about missing a phone call.As well, you can always bring someone back.
It's not the end of the world and a lot of people leave messages or I just think it's a mindset that you need to get into that, you'll get to them and you'll get there, that technology differently helps.Well I'd help students also also occurs because when we used to do and call It was still a pager, it's just ridiculously pre mobile Angel, most, and I specifically remember what, but it wasn't the standard.
I remember, once I made a plan with the pager pager to little Ziploc bags and plastic bags and shabby The back of my way too interested with a budget and they didn't work because I didn't hear that did go off.
But I had a great tip.I got out of stock pot shit.There's like several, I was in a bit of trouble.Yeah, well, I gave my phone to people sometimes, like, if I'm at the gym or something and I might give my phone to like, the gym instructor and said if that rings.
And if it says in them, like if it says, mom or home, don't bother.But if it says any other number, Maybe answers she's working out of the moment, should be?No, no, no, no, I just if it's just if I'm especially in spring time, you just need to have a new Tavernier you but it doesn't control you and you can still go for a little walk.
It's not the end of the world, how do you even tackle coming into that season in Australia to seasonal as well?And we used to have nasty tick seasons in the south coast of not sausage eastern coast of Australia and You would just get take after take after take.
We used to have staff members who dreaded coming into tick season so then they would leave before tick season.Okay?Look, I can't do that anymore.I'm going to go back and get fun job and going to practice and big dick season was terrific last year and I don't do that.How do you how do you tackle them coming in that and knowing that's what it's about to happen.
Yeah, I think this year was one of the worst years, actually, for me.And it was, it was, you know, seven years in.And I think it's because I just built it up in my head so much and I'm not an anxious person, but I was very, very anxious to start January.
And my colleagues I was out of TV testing with my vet nurse and she was like, hazing you, okay?And I was like, my heart is just, it's just pounding and I can't stop it.And she was like, okay and I was like, I'm really worried about spring And then once I once I started it was fine.
But how I kind of I suppose I tell my friends that it's coming up.So they know it's coming up and they are aware of not may be making too many plans around it and maybe feeling like I'm going to miss out on too many things.And I enjoy Christmas, I think, you know, oh look, I'm gonna enjoy today because in a couple of weeks, I won't have that much free time.
I go to the gym and try to get strong from maybe October onwards.Words and start doing weights and things.Just for the sections just to make sure that I'm as physically.Well, as I can be and I think yeah, just doing things for me a little bit more.Maybe going like this year I went skiing in January, which is lovely break, but I think it was a little bit nerve-wracking because you are going into a busy season and then you're like, oh God, I want gonna get injured, but I really did enjoy it and I didn't do anything crazy.
Okay, it's nice and nice and calm, but I know a lot of it and I would maybe take a little Holiday.And in January, or early, January to prepare themselves going forward.I always book may be a long weekend, maybe around March and I booked a Monday off and just have something to look forward to is quite nice because if you just see the end of it being in me the long road, so it's nice to have maybe a nice hotel booked or something.
Now this year with covid didn't work out too well, but sure.Look and yeah, I just think little things like that and just having a few plans not every weekend but just something nice to look.Look forward to.Maybe go see your friends off the country or stay somewhere because yeah, I think it's a long slog.
If you're trying to look at me being the end and then the first week of June, I have always a holiday booked, so it comes to the first of June.I'm like right.See you later guys, I'm off.And I think that definitely helps because one year, I didn't take a holiday until July and I was cranky.
I'm so I love you would love.Would you say in there about Anything some some, some things to look forward to her book in advance and that one of the like a real powerful tool for bringing joy in your life is to actually have joy in the future.
Because we often don't think about, I gave I'm doing joyful things today.What I'm going to do today that joyful, but having something in the future, that's really, really looking forward to.It's such a powerful sense or can bring bring on powerful senses of happiness and just feeling like as if you're balanced and your work.
If balance, whatever it needs for, you is sorted and you've taken care of yourself.I reckon that's and I we always try to have something planned before.We've already done.The last things, I like we always got a plan in place coming up not least about to be two or three months.We do some small or something big or whatever, but it's been like real powerful for me knowing that I have something to look forward to and I can push through hard times.
Yeah.And I think called was a struggle because nobody had anything to look forward to because everything was locked down.And I found that people were just very down and there was nothing.Yeah, I definitely agree that Joy is in the future as well.That's a good to very good point.I'm feeling that I we generally go away a lot, but with a few things happening, plus then covid.
We actually don't have any immediate trips planned and I can field me.It keeps you excited about life as to have that Heather trip to look forward to.Hey, you said you, you studying at the moment.Is that right?Yes.So I start back.I'm just on a break.Take for summer, but worst are Barkin September again.
So, I just started a advanced practitioner certificates, in and Edinburgh University.So, I'm doing food animal production side of that.A lot of my friends have completed them already.I'm a little bit maybe late to the party but I don't think, you know, look learning is whenever it suits you and this year it just suited me to do it and I'm really enjoying us and very excited to get back into.
It was a little bit odd getting back into it because obviously And it's really done anything in stones and sends uni.So it seems interesting trying to, you know, fit it all in around work and everything but it's exciting.But yeah, that whole work-life study balance was difficult to adjust to because I was so used to having my free time and then all of a sudden I had to sit down for a few hours and then but no it's good.
What, what was the motivated to do it?What what pushed you to decide then you study a bit more?Yeah, I just feel like I'm seven years out now, and I'm feeling.Feel my knowledge is good but I definitely feel those few gaps and I just feel like I there was space in my life for the study.
So I decided that it would be a good time to do it and I've talked to my friends and they're all very happy they did it.No one ever said or I wouldn't bother, you know, everyone is always delighted.They did something like that.I run a social media or on a podcast called vet space and at the moment, we're doing at a series on certificates and for the study that we can that vets in Cain Ireland and do and we just did our first one last week and was on small animals certificate in Dublin and we got great interaction from us and it was lovely to just talk to a vet about their experiences with it, you know, talking about what was good.
What was bad?How do they fit into their life?Yeah, I'm just I'm really enjoying it and it's good, you know, my can get me anywhere, my career, my can change, but I think if I can be a better vet to my farmers and feel like, I know more, then that's what what it's all about to me, really?
So you Being a vet for seven years now and you saying that the vast majority of cases.You see you in your cattle or no cattle, dairy cattle and so forth.But you just said you see occasional sheep or although Danimals.How do you tackle the case that stumps you you know like there's still going to be things or a species of animal that you know how Packer or something got to know if you treat our pack is ago, our pack is there.
But how do you tackle those things?Those The Uncommon things that you see very uncommonly.Well, I think having friends That's Sam work with these animals.Like alpacas and sheep are always good to have and always good to have the end of the phone.
My friends are brilliant.I definitely, I had an alpaca the other day that I had to see.And I had to bring my friend who is a expert in them in the UK and she was brilliant.And so I think a network of friends, I think just treating every case, as you know, doing your clinical exam working at all having resources, your your Internet and things like that.
Just to replenish any information that you might have, it's in there but it just might need to be ahem rejigged a little bit.I never really get too concerned about things that might even be my my typical case I just try to treat it all like a have a have a, have a plan and then if I need help I'll go and research it or I'll wring a friend who might would know more and so yeah, I think I don't think anyone should ever get to see.
Asked about maybe something that's like out of the ordinary because there's a lot of there's a big world of information out there and you have a your Veterinary brain and your clinical skills.So you should never worry too much.One of the things that we teach our interns or one virtue new grads, they come and join our practices, give them some kind of methods for escape during the consult room and they're like, no idea what this is and never seen this before, right?
We teach them things like, oh, look, just going to go and grab a stethoscope or yeah.No, the go all this.This my pain isn't working or something like there's some kind of out, you know, like I'm on my thermometer an hour battery, I'll be two seconds, better find another one, and so there's always an hour, but I always feel like as if, you know, you're in a large animal call, you got your out their house.
You can't even just take the dog out the back or just gonna take him out the back was anyway.Mm.So what do you do then you have no idea if it's like need to go read a textbook and searching the internet on the coffee.Now Packer, what's commonly coffee?Now?Packet.But then what would you do?I just gotta get some of the car.Is it?I have I have done that in the past, I'm like, oh and I think I just need to go to the van for second and I'd be on the phone in the van coin hot and I can bring in my Boston, like I just hear what do you think?
And there's no problem with that or else is no problem, just being a little bit.Honest sometimes because Farmers don't like when you try to be too cocky and tried to pretend, you know.So sometimes it's better to be like just going to ring Gladdy blah and I think they've seen this before, I'm just going to see What they think.
And if you were to write farmers are like, oh, you know, she took the initiative to ask for help and I think that's a big that's a big step in a vet's life is to actually admit that.Okay, look I don't really know what's going on here and I need to go get help.
I need to ask and I think if you word it right then a lot of farmers are okay with it.My boss gets cases and he's qualified long time and he gets dumped and he might ask for help and we've a WhatsApp group.In work just for the vets and you'll get little pop up, pictures of random things.
It's within a couple of seconds were like, no idea what about this to try this and I think having something maybe in place like that, and I practice is very good.And we're technology like that, or you can even on Instagram, we've a little vest Instagram of covitz and we do the same.
We put up maybe an unusual case and people message back nearly straight away and yeah, I just think that There's always ways around not knowing what exactly is going on and as long as you don't cause harm and as long as you maybe take a step back and think, okay, who might know this or where, can I get this information, then?
I don't really agree with you.I think it gets easier, the more experience you get.Ironically, you think that when you knew you can ask a lot of questions and admit to not knowing I think my hair would maybe when you're fresh out, you feel that pressure to prove yourself to the client and to to colleagues.
But I have never had a client and so it's not just farmers who like this.I've never had a client have an issue.If I said that's strange.Not actually quite sure.No, I've got a solution in a plan because India if I go, yeah, that's all right.I'm not a hundred.
Sure I've never seen that before.That's unusual.I am going to go and I've got a textbook on this side.Over an article that I, I've got a friend who's really good at these dead meat.Let me go and do that, but I think you can do it.As a young veteran.People don't expect to do.They expect you to know?Anything privilege, generally, people appreciate honesty and they also could smell bullshit from a mile away.
So that little bit of those know, if you say to someone, you're going to look something up, do it because they'll remember, if you don't, and that's a big thing for me as well, in practice and just put in the time, a way to do it.
And I think sometimes, As Farmers when you open their like hazel, I really don't think you're going to be able to do anything with this cow but come and have a look at this and, you know, it's kind of like, okay, sure, we'll we'll see or you could try, maybe do a surgery or something that is life-saving, but it's very slim chance of working or something, and then it works.
And it's like, oh brilliant.Yeah, I love what I do and but I definitely have bad days as well as I was saying bullshit.So yeah, it is there a dreary to being a large estate?Is it that way?Well, let me rephrase that one tree to being a largest bit to assist going up.
The small is Route.Yeah.In that school, I was very much that mixed that student I loved horses.I loved cows and I loved.I liked, I liked, I started off really loving small animals and then as as the course progressed, I think my interest just lay with more with the horses and the Echo and the cows, but I think I was born a dairy farm, my dad's a Dairy Farmer.
I was always around cows, and I think that's cool.Just enhance that loves of cows.I always liked them but I was one of these kind of Pony Club girls as well.And I love my horses and I was very torn between an equine vet and mean a covert.
And think when I did start to do in placement, then I just fell in love with the lifestyle and the whole farming world and the herd health and how you approach.It's not just always, you're you're sick cow.It's a sick heard, it's you treat as a herd management.
Aunt and I love that.I love that kind of thing and we did it module and in uni as well like called herd health and it was really fascinating and lots of stats and you know graphs and things like that but when you went out to the farmer and actually solved, maybe a mastitis problem that he was having it's just such a good feeling and to say, okay, well you need to do this in the Parlor or that in the Parlor and I think there's the world of large animal veterinary is definitely changing.
It's not your emergency work.Like Time.There's always going to be that but it's definitely moving away from from that.And also, with the antibiotics and reducing their usage were under a lot of pressure.As that two more Implement herd Health Plans, vaccinations good hygiene.
I am looking at your data, looking at your stats and trying to figure out where farmers can improve.And so that's a big shift that's happening and so that's very exciting as well.Yeah.Sounds a heck of a lot more exciting game.No more interesting than my, the little taste of larges that I had better start of my career.
I found it very frustrating.I think that's why I, why didn't last very long is just very much one animal that had a very finite economic value.So, you get the say, yeah, let's give it some tips cyclins.Never Farmers already, done that.You go.
Okay, well, there we got it.Let's do some blood or less and then there's always like Mass not worth it, just kill it.So that was very And non satisfying at the time.So but it sounds like it's changed.It sounds sexy.Sounds like sounds very appealing.The way you tell you talk about it.Yeah.And I feel like at the animals that I love the animals idea what as well are quite high value, Holstein, and Friesian cows here in Cork.
There is a lot.There's crossbreds as well but in my area we still have a lot of head of you heard.So I'm very lucky.I work with Farmers that are very obliging and open to trying to fix problems and wanting to get to the bottom of Of.Heard problems, heard level problems and it's at the sometimes, you just get Farmers that are just happy to have one or two losses, maybe and then you have all the farmers, that's absolutely unacceptable and they want to do everything in their power to stop it happening in the future, which is brilliant.
And I'm very lucky that majority of my farmers are like that.So, it's very much locality as well.So when you were explaining before about whether practice is my understanding Australian that the the dairy industry has been bought up by all these terrible.Arms have been bought up by larger companies and they now go mating.
These Farms together.You get these Mega dairies and so forth with.I don't know, a thousand thousand - of cows is that the same still where you are as it kind of still kind of family-owned operations.It sounds like they still have the connection with the animal.
They understand economics.But also these stool maybe a bit more connected with the welfare of the animals as opposed to just leaders and numbers and stuff.Yeah, I know.I think definitely we're not going down the route of the super dairies.Yes, we're mostly family-owned Farms still, but because quotas were abolished in 2013, the Farms have actually increased in size and Ireland.
So the average I would also do one with the quota side interactive.The quota was used was basically, you could only produce the certainly shortage of milk in your, on your farm, or otherwise you get penalized or you'd have to throw away that milk.So it was to stop overproduction.
Which sounds a little mad now but is it was in place and then it was abolished in 2013 and then Farmers had the ability to expand a lot of farmers have gained maybe 50 cows on average.Some people expanded a lot more than others, but yeah, still very family and Family Farms the younger Farmers coming up.
Are more aware of economics and more aware of profit and last but welfare is definitely still a very high priority.In Irish farms and it's a wonderful place to work because we are valued as a profession.So yeah, Farms my general I'd say average Farm size would be about 200-250 cows here in Cork yesterday.
ITV tested about 1400 on one farm.So, that's that would be an odd.That would be kind of an outlay for her.You know.That wouldn't be the norm.Yeah.Generally in around the 200, mark would be kind of the normal still Family Farms still generations of Front age groups of Farmers on the farms but different opportunities arise in there with share milkers and people going into maybe joined Partnerships and making their Farms limited companies.
And yeah, so we're, we're going with the times, but we're keeping our traditions and keeping our welfare standards very high, which is great.That sounds lovely.It's a, it's a great profession, which is good isn't, it's a good?It's a good job.Lots of characters, lots of Let's stories.
Lots of Adventures and they did you get lots of why you must have heaps of stories from your young guys, from this is going wrong stories.From my from my time, working in County, Kerry in the west of Ireland, and south west of Ireland.So when was that we know that in your career was that of my yeah, my first 18 months as a vet.
I don't think there was a female veteran, therefore, I think maybe 15 years or something.So it's funny experience.I was mistaken for a tourist, a couple of times arrived.Into the farm.I went to a farm and they did was to Bachelor farmers and they had a cow with a prolapse and it was the kind of middle of the night and I came out and I got the, they looked at me like I had about four heads and I was like, hi I'm Hazel and I said you know get the cow with the rope and everything was in this kind of really old-fashioned barn and we got the prolapse in and everything and they were still looking at me like I had four heads.
So how All of these Farmers.He's a bachelor.They begin their, I'd say late 70s.I was looking at, you going to practice, to put in the call and there and it was just so anyway, and next thing.
So I said, goodbye and I think there's still look at me like I'm just a weirdo and the next day, then my boss went out to recheck the cow or something and they said to him.Oh who was that?Girl last night and my boss is like, oh, that's Hazel or knew that and she said, oh God, we didn't know who she was, but by the end of it, we were thinking, maybe she's the best, and they honestly just hoarder it was some random person rocked up on the farm and Just replaced a prolapse and they just couldn't fathom like how young girls the guardian angel of cows or send it out of Heaven saying Hazel funny and then I went out with maybe two weeks later to do something else and they apologized to me.
It was so nice.They were like, I'm so sorry.We have no idea who you were.Did.Did you introduce yourself?But they just missed it or I just said I was Hazel and I just assumed we say this but If I've spoken to a few female vets who that's happened to with it Garrett or regular weights or and I've seen it with colleagues where people go the next day.
Well, we came in with we didn't even see a red.We just had the nurse to go.And yeah.And then you have no you saw a doctor.Whoever it's an important lesson.Is that when you when you're young and when it's fit male or female to go.Hi.I'm well, that's why you guys are.It's going to be tough to somebody so that you can say it.
I'm dr.Hazel, I'm going to be the bed to going to Logic out tonight.Yeah, and click on the phone, I would always ring.Someone say, hi, it's Hazel here the best.But I think I just assumed that when they call the vet and this person arrived on the farm that they thought that I would be the best.
Yeah, I suppose it's a little bit like cool calling for a pizza and they somebody right at the door with the pizza and you go, it was luck.That was one of my funny moments.I should have taken a diary with me and written down The funny things that happened because they just go out of your head.
Don't they?Like things happen and some of them.Never leave your head.I know.I know.Know it's funny.Yeah, was good.Good times down and carry.And yeah, I think every day like you something funny happens and along the way and you just have to enjoy it.
So if we've got young listeners it's everybody students or recent grads who want to go.They will think they want to do with care.Route.Are they things that you have to do to get yourself ready for it?I let you know there's certain courses or do you did you just did you just qualify and blood for a cow job and got it?
And even if that was your route in retrospect, is this something you would have done differently?To get you more ready for for a career in get enlarges and farm animals?Yeah, like I think it is as easy as qualifying and going down that route but I think maybe doing something like picking your elective so a lot of I don't know how it is in the in Australia, but in the UK there's electives.
So you pick certain roofs of placements that you want to focus mainly on in Veterinary in your final year.And then you go to really good quality.Large animal practices within the UK and Ireland, and you do your elective there.
So, I think having a large animal, elective on, your CV is always very good.Having as much placement as you can really in large animal is always a plus.I'm doing well, maybe in your large animal exam would be a plus.But look, once you have enthusiasm, you like what you do and you're willing to learn, then I'd say, and you have a little bit of experience with large animal, even if you went into a lot of people, go into a mix job.
Like I don't know, there's a lot of stuff in Ireland.Now nearly all large, animal jobs are mixed jobs to begin with, so it's not like you're tying yourself down to, okay, definitely going to Be a large animal vet.There's options there.So we've still got your small animal skills and then if things don't work out or if you feel it's not for you then you can go back and go back to small or go on to something else.
So it's yeah, just pick your placements.Well and yeah, just be open to hard work for the first couple of years.Anyway, definitely and maybe a few late nights as a All right, let's get out of the the overalls, the coveralls.
What you call them?You can't forget overall, is that eau de Rose.Yeah.Out of the cow poo.And talk about the glamour side of Hazel melons, a serious social.The first thing I've got to ask, I saw a post some ways it mentioned something about that.Strictly Come Dancing.
Did you District become nuts?I did, I did it when I was actually, I kind of want it.It was down in bandhan in County Cork and it was Strictly Come Dancing Tandem, and it was a lot of work.
And we trained like twice a week for 14 weeks.I had a wonderful dance, partner Mikey, and he was happened to be a gym owner, and he was very strong, and he was able to throw me up in the air and we didn't like amazingly, And stuff.
So yeah, it was great and it was such a wonderful thing to do to get part of the community, because I'm not from there, but it was just I feel like I'm I'm from there, you know.I feel like my heart is still there because I became like I did that and I was in the another farming kind of Club macaron afirma for young people and just so many friends and I think that's a good thing for new grads as well.
If you are because you usually move to an area that you know, local to start work and Just embrace yourself and throw yourself into anything that's going on in the local area, because the more friends you have, the more people, you know, it just makes life so much easier.
But, yeah, I didn't know I could dance and I still don't think I can force when you practice the same dance for 14 weeks over and over.You kind of get good at it and yeah, we won.So it was a great.Nice, very good.Have you guys been video of the of the winning?
Oh, I do.I do?I do.Yeah, you're going to have seen it to me.Put it on the it will be done.Put it on the website for anybody wants to watch.You dance to The Blues Brothers.I'm Shake a Tail Feather, so it was kind of Jazzy and it was great.
It was brilliant.That's how much fun.So, do you still dance at all?Now, I did a couple of dance.I did a couple of dance lessons and I would have loved.I was actually signed up for another one, but covid and stop that.So, I definitely think I love dancing and it just brings me so much joy.
I'm not very good.I really am not very good at This, but I try you could have been to Ravish if you want at least everybody else in town was absolutely horrendous.I wouldn't be a natural.I wouldn't be a natural dancer know, but I, I think I, my mom sent me to Irish dancing lessons when I was maybe six.
And I didn't know my left from my right.And you know, it's all about hup.Two.Three.Right left.Right.Hop one.And it's yeah, I struggled and then I quit and I never went back and then I think when my twenties I started diving, which is kind of like a country in West kind of country jiving and I love that.
And so yeah, I think doing something completely different.That's why Victory is always is always a good thing.Yeah, absolutely.I couldn't agree more, you do need.So the place where you most did display, the things that you do on.You've got you've got a big following on Instagram and you're quite active.
Yeah, and Instagram.It's an interesting phenomenon to me is the Instagram V8.Like it's a Whole subculture and its really popular.And it did some awesome stuff on then your steps really awesome and really inspiring but it must take about a time.
Why do you do it?What's the motivation for it?The motivation, I basically a couple years ago I went through a kind of a bad patch and I was I was very down and I was like, okay I'm going to do something and I saw that there was this Instagram thing blowing up in the vector Alton I said, God and my friends always were so interested in my stories and they want, you know, I used to send them pictures and they're like, oh, he's lost disgusting, but Gary coup.
I'm so I kind of said right?There's probably out lifts for this and I just yeah.So I just decided right?We're going to do it and I was over on a beach in Croatia with my friend and right.She was like trying to think of a name for it.She was like, she needed like a pun and I was like all, I don't know.
And she's one of my bet on the move with tools.Rose and I was like, Randall, do us and then, yeah.So it just kind of took off and then I was very lucky.I was always involved in talking at vet events and things like that and kind of clinical clubs.So yeah.
So just got really good opportunities to talk in front of other vets and the paper, then one of the big local Irish papers put me on their stories for a day and they followed me around for the day and that was great.I got a couple of thousand followers from that and then you know the way it goes, people start You and you just meet amazing people.
And yeah, I've got that friends and farmer friends from all over the world on Instagram.So yeah, I never expected it to really take off the waited, but I was just very lucky with the brakes that I got and things that I was tagged in and things.I was asked to do so I'm absolutely.
I do love it but I do agree with you.It's a lot of work someday.You're like, oh, I'm just so tired and you could have a load of like messages from people and things and he just, you know, you do.Want to be rude and not not reply but sometimes it is it's difficult somewhat.It might take me a couple of days to reply to people but I generally try but yeah, no it's a good way of showing what I do every day as well and as a large animal vet, a female large animal vet and you know also I like to inspire other large animal vet to maybe start enjoying the little things and the good parts of our job instead of just focusing on That's that's the main thing.
So, and I don't mean this in a like and what do you get out of it?But what do you what does it contribute to your life to do it?Is it just a fun thing?Is it just the creative out the door.What's the?Yeah.I think it's a, it is a creative outlet but it's also a way of promoting the industry.
And I love.Like, I actually really like media and doing things like that, so hopefully someday I'd love to maybe to do more Media stuff maybe on.Radio or TV, or something like that.And I think that's maybe where I want to go.But yeah, I just enjoy the little.
I just enjoy all the little opportunities.I get to take over accounts or do a little, I don't know, an article on base, or an article on that and yeah, just like the interaction.I'm a very people's person and very, I'm an extrovert.So I love people.Okay, cool.So, which brings us to the to the other thing that you're involved in?
And as soon as you said, I've got a podcast, of course, my ears go out because this is, this is I, I get excited about this, so you're involved.Something called VIP space Ireland which has a podcast a silent.And what damage I was approached by a lonely vectors and Industry workers.
Michelle McGuire and she came to me and said, he's a little what you think about doing a podcast just talking to Irish vets, promoting Irish Veterinary, the wellness within Irish Veterinary and it was promoting things that are happening kind of a place where if you want to know something, you could go to and I was like, oh, okay.
Okay, kind of a busy at the moment.I was just coming into spring and like, okay, so she went off.And she got all the mics and the gear, and we started promoting it and started launching it, and it's got an amazing reaction within Ireland.And we're just delighted.
We've basically had a big plan for the podcast and then covid Jesus.And we kind of just got a little bit sidetracked and we started doing Instagram lives instead, and we started getting bet on and doing live.Even saving them about first thing, we discussed, how vets are coping with covered.
Then we discussed vets and any tips for new grads and now we're discussing vets and further education and we have done kind of to intro podcasts and we are Michelle do started a new job so she's just getting to grips with that.And then soon we will have like yourselves kind of conversation with different people within the industry doing different things.
And it's just promoting look like within Ireland, really just promoting the veterinary Voice Within Ireland and yeah, it's good.We've got hats and everything.We were very delighted, we don't have hats, do we need?Hey, you should get high people, love hats.
I'm and she and little body warmers and things.Yeah, it's great.And we're all into our merch, you got a nice website.So what what's the website?Again?That's a Saarland darui, don't iie.
That's right in the eyelid color.Yeah.Because it's more than just the podcast.You've got other resources on there and and stuff a journal where people write journal entries and about maybe tips for new grads or anything that they're up to and anyone can write those and send them in to us.
And we've got like an ad like a notice board as well.And we have our little shop for our hats and we have God there's loads of stuff up.Yeah.Like a live kind of feed and then we've advertising I think we're going to be going down maybe.Like advertising recruitment possibilities as well.
One of my best friends.Emily actually designed the website.So it's like a little, like, a little family and we're, it's very, we're very proud of ourselves and it's we just didn't think that it would take off the way it has.And there we just need to get going on the podcast like yourselves and just bite the bullet and do it because I think we're probably overthinking it a little bit at the moment and just getting ourselves a little bit hyped up over it.
But I think once you start anything you kind of and the more you do it, the more natural, it Hums doesn't it sound?Yeah.Now let's let's wrap it up.So podcasts.You do podcasts.Do you listen to podcast a broadcast fan?Yeah, I do.I go in and out of them.
I think a little bit, sometimes I'm really in a Min in my van and I just, I don't want to listen to music.I want to listen to conversation.And then sometimes I'm just like, oh no, I just just need to just listen to music and not have any thoughts.And, but I'm very much a wellness, kind of podcast person.
I don't listen to like, sometimes I'm in.Well, sometimes I do listen to lectures and things like that, and, and you know webinars, like, if I'm in the mood for learning, but sometimes I just need a little bit of escapism and I listen to a lot of Wellness podcasts.
Yeah.That's kind of my thing.So, have you got any favorite?A lot of them are Irish are using to one or two UK ones as well.Happy place by fearne Cotton's very good and the good glow by Georgie Crawford.In Ireland has good and bad.During my Wellness is another Jo Ann.
Walsh is Another Irish lady who does a wonderful podcast all very much wellness and feeling good and promoting just positivity.All right, it is wrap it up with a last question.It's easy to pose this to you because you're, you got a podcast.
So you're on the podcast and all the new graduates of the world are tuning in to listen.And you got a couple of minutes to give them one little bit of advice.What is Hazel Mullins has advice?Ice for the new vet, graduates of the world.Okay, here we go.
You will never have as much knowledge as you have now in your heads, your practical experience will come with time.You can't know everything and be able to do everything right now, but it will come in time and just be kind to yourselves.
Don't be hard on yourselves, move on from your mistakes.Learn from them and treat yourself.Something.Nice everyday.And you know, have a nice coffee, have a nice lunch and talk to your friends and just mind yourself.
That's my main thing, perfect.I really like that.The coffee is the essential, but it love my coffee.Yes, Hazel, thank you so much for your time.You're welcome, you made the life of a farmer.It's a hell of a lot more appealing than I remembered a fight.
If I had to take them over, get it could actually be something.I could consider.Although you said that, it seems to be that the The female, they to who liked it.And then the guys graduate small is, maybe the, maybe it's just too much hard work, for most me those comments.
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