March 17, 2020

#25: Facing your inner critic, with Dr. Katie Ford

#25: Facing your inner critic, with Dr. Katie Ford
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One message that we hear time and time again from our guests here at the VetVault is that success, or happiness, or fulfilment or performance or whatever you want to call it, starts in your head. In this episode we explore what’s happening inside that head of yours, and how we can influence it for the better. Veterinarian, public speaker and coach Dr Katie Ford graduated from the University of Liverpool in the UK in 2012 and gained her certificate in medicine in 2016. Externally she was very successful: she had a great career, she was a successful clinician who was loved by clients, she was one of the youngest vets ever to pass the certificate synoptic exam. The future looked bright, but internally things were a bit more complicated. She was at the mercy of her perfectionist imposter brain. That voice inside her head, the one that keeps you at work hours and hours after your shift ended while you double and triple check everything, was telling her that she was a fraud, and that she would never be good enough. With the power of mindset, consciousness and an understanding of the internal workings of her brain, Katie turned her life around. She has trained in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT), Broadband Consciousness and also completed programmes under the father of personal development himself, Bob Proctor of the Proctor-Gallagher Institute. Katie is passionate about positivity in practice, awesome workplace culture and career fulfilment. She currently practices as a locum veterinary surgeon across the North West, finding joy in meeting and influencing her colleagues in practice and though official coaching for vets and nurses on a 1:1 and group basis. Join us as we talk to Katie about imposter syndrome - what it is and how to identify and deal with it, about ways to train your mind and trick your body through visualisation, why we should be happy to sometimes be a failure, how to celebrate your wins without depending on them for your self-worth, and much more. For the show notes or to check out our guests’ favourite books, podcasts and everything else we talk about in the show, click on the webpage link on the episode page wherever you listen to us, or visit the podcast website at https://thevetvault.com/. If you have a question that you’d like us to answer with the help of our guests you can leave us a voice message by going to our episode page on the anchor app (https://anchor.fm) and hitting the record button, via email at thevetvaultpodcast@gmail.com, or just catch up with us on Instagram. (https://www.instagram.com/thevetvault/) We’d love to hear from you! If you like what you heard, then please help us to spread the word by subscribing to the podcast (it’s free!), and by telling your friends about us.

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At the vet fold, is that success or happiness, or fulfillment, or performance, or whatever you want to call.It starts in your head.In this episode, we explore what's happening inside that head of yours and how we can influence in for the better, but Marian, public speaker and Coach, dr.
Katie Ford, graduated from the University of Liverpool, Pool in the UK in 2012 and gained her certificate in medicine in 2016 externally.She was very successful Jeddah, great Korea.She was a successful clinician who was loved by clients.
She was one of the youngest vets ever to pass the certificate synoptic exam.Her future looked bright.But internally things were a bit more complicated.She was at the mercy of her perfectionist, imposter brain that voice inside her head.The one that keeps you at work.
Hours and hours.After your shift ended, while you double and triple check, everything was telling her that she was a fraud and that she would never be good enough.With the power of mindset Consciousness and an understanding of the internal workings of her brain, Katie turned her life around.
She was trained in cognitive behavior, therapy Broadband, Consciousness, and also completed programs under the father of personal development himself, Bob Proctor of the Proctor Gallagher Institute.Katie is passionate about positivity in practice awesome, workplace culture and career fulfillment.
She currently We practices as a local veterinary surgeon across the Northwest finding joy in meeting and influencing her colleagues in practice and Through official coaching for vets and nurses, on a one-on-one or group basis, join us as we talk to Katie about impostor syndrome, what it is and how to identify and deal with it about ways to train your mind, and trick your body through visualization, why you should be happy to sometimes be a failure, how to celebrate your wins without depending on them for yourself.
And much more.Please enjoy dr.Katie forward.Dr. K T Ford.Welcome to the red.Well, thank you for joining us.Thank you for having me.So, how do I was actually on time tonight if you count being that two minutes late and eat cucumber at 10:00 at night?
They're not.All right, that's fine.I'll take the position as an on time, ready.I'm gonna jump straight in with a, with a slightly left of say that question.And the other night I was driving up the up, the freeway and they say is a design company.
Actually, I think it's a marketing.Company who paint these words of wisdom or interesting things on the side of the building about once a month.They change it.And they had one up that said, bad decisions lead to good stories.And all the way home I was thinking about getting one.
That's a cool statement and I immediately thought that is a question.I don't know if it's a statement or a question, so bad decisions lead to good stories.True or false?Oh, you know, that is a tough one because anyone that follows my Instagram or know that I am a massive, Gary vaynerchuk geek and Gary thinks you can't have bad decisions.
So I'm going to go with false just on the pretense that no bad decisions, but if you tweaked, it slightly too, controversial decisions come up with good stories, I'd go with absolutely true.I think that anything that's a little bit off, the wall, usually has a pretty good tail to follow it.
Okay, give us your give us a controversial decision that.Oh, let's see.I'm probably gonna go with.I remember obviously, you guys being Australian.Have you been to Bali?
I'm going to assume.Yes, yeah, I don't think you would ever been to Indonesia where I have spent quite a bit of time.They correct this.Oh really.I'm well, we went to Bali couple of years ago, we went to a little island lembongan and my partner.
He wanted to go and do a fishing Expedition and probably been one of the most frugal people that I've ever come across.We had to go and battle with every single captain.And so how much it was going to be, it's gone.This fits like that.So and we end up finding a guy who says our from million rupees.
I'll take you out and I guarantee to you.Yeah, we'll catch some fish and I'll be So it's like right, okay, and what my boyfriend didn't bargain for was that we'd have to get there at 5:00 in the morning to catch the sunrise.So we get there and we realize that this guy is going to take us out to see in what looks like the most rickety see boat that I've ever seen with no life jackets.
Nothing.And I'm stood there.Like this, seems like a bad decision, you know, because if we get out to sea, and you fall off the back with your fishing rod, he pushes me over and he returns home, like nothing ever happens.He had no guests.You have no.English people did his boat that was it?And I was like, what are we gonna do?
I my my boyfriend is like Fearless, he's like, oh, we'll be fine, we'll be fine.So I kind of like a little sheep.Follow him into the boat.And thank, you know what?Yeah, I'll be.Alright, this seems like a terrible decision, you know, but we actually had an amazing time.
And, you know, if I'd stuck with their, the sensible say, choice of going and sitting on the beach and doing nothing, we would have missed out because we did go outside.You did catch fish.We ended up going and sitting with the little Balinese family in the evening Grand, dad cooks, and gutted, the fish fries.
You made a barbecue out of dried coconut, see cooked it first.They made sauces for us and we sat with them all and that would never have happened.If we hadn't made that decision.Now, I'm never advocating that everybody goes out to see you in 20 protection, but at the same time, it was a story that I found pretty cool that came to mind.
I won't lie the whole time.That is there, that little voice in my head was like, Simon's going to slip off the end of this boat.He's gonna go under the water and then the little capsule is going to push you off the edge and that will be.I'm here and I survived and he's like, I got my 100 Australian dollars or how much when the UK would that be?
That would be like, like 50 grand. 50 bucks. 40 50 bucks of 40 50 like that.Yeah, I do that.If you bid 1,300 bucks, you came over 400 bucks.I'd kill for fun, right?Because I'm on top of the time.
And you always, I'm so torn about that story because I'm all for risk-taking.I think we wait.Wait, wait.You risk a verse as a society and I love a good bargain.But I think I draw the line at at Ocean fearing is a standard.
This isn't standing when it comes to the ocean where you want to go.Maybe cheapest is.No, is the, it's a happy ending.I like it on the worst for bargaining.It's like, I'm just, I'm just a sucker.I'd like people see me coming from a mile away and they just got a whole look at that sucker.
And the next unit price is probably three times higher than actually, what they were before.But I'd to do, I do totally believe actually, they've been what she was saying, was, you know, and try and certainly that's different out of your comfort zone and and like, for me, traveling internationally is actually something that causes me quite a lot of stress.
Yeah, and my recent trip to on a recent but in November, I went to the US and I'm like a klutz in an airport.I do not know where to go and I don't get it and then I like I've had set it on listen to music when important announcements, come on.
So, like the inherently, the whole thing is very stressful and there's one thing that I like what I thought I would never be able to master and that is the New York Subway system.And when I went to New York just recently, I was like, I am And a monster this thing.And I went so many like so many times in the wrong direction, that eventually I learned that 17 trips and two days on the train station.
I finally mastered it and it was just like the biggest achievement like of my whole entire trip was is New York Subway system, isn't it?Satisfying it to conquer, something like that.I really do think that's one of the big things of starting to travel.When you're young.Is that a little victories, that just Make you feel like I can conquer that I can take from do freaking anything.
Definitely, I agree this so much that we end up with in our heads that you think is a big deal until you actually just get out there and start doing it and then it becomes normality which there's so many parallels to draw with with our profession as well.When you, when you look at it alongside the traveling aspect, which brings me to the next question, okay?
To you, you talked a lot about imposter syndrome.It's one of your of your big topics and I've read a bit about what you've said.So here we are probably about Thousands of 2,000 people are going to listen to this might hopefully lots more and they're going to listen to this.
Let's try to get some advice from you or learn something something from you and the here to listen to your opinion.How does that make you feel?I think that's super exciting.I think really empowering the fact that even if a handful of people take something from it, it's worthwhile.
Hmm.So, what is it about that?Okay.So, so it's exciting right?As opposed to fearful because everyone, I don't know, we've had a couple called podcast guests.Come on.And, and, you know, like if who is the guy, who wrote the book about underway, Simon sinek, right, and how your physiological State between fear and excitement is so close, right?
That your body feels exactly the same that ultimately is Just a thing in your head which is goes like that's actually exciting, right?And you said exciting there, right?Which both you and I would like But, you know, like it.
What is it about it?You know, you said it was like two or three.Let's say, three people listen to this, like another 2,000 people is in this, but three people walked away and change their lives.Is that a big enough impact?For only one person walked away from a net change, the life, it would be a big enough impact.I look back at my story and they're like, the darkest worst times I had and my life changing was enough for me.
So if that could happen for someone else, just from listening to this, that's enough for me.Like there's There's a quote, I can't remember who said it, but if you change one person's life, then that's it.That's enough for your whole life.So I'd be satisfied with one.
Mmm.So tell us more about the about that.You mentioned the darkest period in your life.I graduated, in 2012, I went into my first job and during that time I was kind of quite forgiving to myself for the first few months.I was a new graduate, you can't know it's all.
But as time went on, I was starting to feel like I was asking too much, you shouldn't be asking these things go on find the answer somewhere else so I'd start reading the textbook side, start speaking through a referral center, I'd ring the lab anything that I could do to try and stop me speaking to my boss because in my head, I felt like they were paying me and I should be able to do the job and I should stop asking him so many questions and sort of, as time went on this.
Got me, good results and got me, good case outcomes.But at the same time, I had this Voice that was in my head that was saying to me.Yeah.But you asked that you were just a middleman, you didn't really know that and as time progressed this kind of snowballed and got worse and despite the fact that I was getting a good case outcomes and it was my doing, I didn't feel like I owned them and I ended up moving to another job which was like on paper the perfect job.
I had a really supported boss who paid me through an internal medicine, certificate had longer consults twice as long consultation.I'm as most places and a really nice team but I kind of had this little voice in my head.That was saying to me, you might have got this wrong, you need to double-check that and it got louder and louder.
And the point where I couldn't switch off outside of work at all to the point where my only way to kind of try and remedy this was to stay and work for longer and I was there like every waking hour of the day and in my mind that was to try and disaster prevent because I I felt like something was going to go wrong that I'd missed and should have done and if I wasn't there to sort it then everyone would realize that I was this big fraud but on the outside of this I was hugely successful like I was the bet everyone wanted to see I had my internal medicine certificate.
I was on the local radio talking about pet care and all sorts of pet conditions.I've spoken at conferences.I was published like I had everything but in my head I really didn't.Like it was true.It was mine and it started as an eagle but it snowballed Maher & Maher.
I go out for dinner with friends and I'd be having coffee and this little voice the chirping and be like.Yeah.But you might have forgotten this or do you remember when that client asked to see your boss?And not to see you?Maybe you did something wrong, do they hate you?And I wake up in the middle of the night, like, thinking about cases.
And I actually thought that I had a broken brain after a while.I was like you've got everything on the outside.That looks like the formula to be happy and be a good fair and be satisfied but you don't feel it and you've chased the next thing and you've got there and then you stole not got what you're looking for.
I wasn't even sure what I was looking for and then the next thing came and I got it and I still didn't have the feeling and eventually got to the point where I used to sit, when I was on call just crying and sobbing with, like my head in my hands.I do not know what is wrong with, my brain.
I why is it that I can?You do everything so right.Everything can go so well and the tiniest little thing will pull me into, like a massive downward crash, and I'll be honest.I've said it and previous and two years before it, got to the point where I'd go and I'd get in the car.
And I just drive and drive and drive and cry.And not know what was wrong with me.Because all the other people I worked with just thought I was really grumpy and that was a control freak.And if anything went wrong, I'd be really mad with them.Because in my brain, I was like Torturing myself because I was listening to this, this - Chris Turk all the time.
So on these car drives will go through my head on multiple occasions.Maybe the easiest thing, it's just going to be drive the car into a wall and just stop it, and it now because that, that was what would happen to me.That was how bad that it got.And luckily, I came through that and I realize there are ways to get get over that.
But they were the darkest times that that I had, they say like, talk to yourself.Like you talk to your best friend if I talk.To my best friend's like the way that I used to talk to myself, I have no friends left and that was a huge mixture between imposter syndrome, and that was snowballed, and managed to end up.
As I can mixture between probably depression and anxiety because it was uncontrolled.But I never talked about this to anyone particularly at the time.Everybody just thought they saw the outside Katie Yeah.
So like you shared a lot there and then and and like I remember going through phases like that as well.When I was a new graduated in even stages as well.When I was there's there's a phase when you learn a lot that sometimes you feel like as if you learn that you just there's so much more to learn that.
What you've learned is not enough, it's going to be in this Blissful ignorance before you learn something.And always only after you learn something you like holy shit, there's so much more that I just don't know.No.But how do you, how did you turn that off?Like how did you, you know what we'll what did you do?
I suppose.Well, two things.The first one was the only person I ever spoke to about any of it was my old boss who is really supportive.And this was at a point where I was sort of five years qualified by this point.And she said to me, look, I'm really worried about you.You are brilliant that I've never worked with a better one, but you can't see it.
I don't know how to get you to see, and she ended up getting me to go to the doctor swear.Did go through CBT cognitive behavior therapy, which helped get me out of a hole as it were and made things a bit better.But then after that, I found another technique called Broadband Consciousness, which helped me realize about this inner critic that we've got.
And the narratives that we've got in our heads and maybe not everything that we talked about is necessarily our own.And that's when my life absolutely changed.Its kind of like, like the Ever playing radio is stage.Ian.Right there, just plays and plays and plays in your head and it's just the Jenna.
Jenna Jenna Jenna driver, you fucked up this.He dreaded rather you did this wrong Treasurer, is you stop this up here, I'm right.And whether or not you listen to it or push it out like what did you learn from this like, is that kind of a similar concept?You're very, very similar.So it's kind of like you see you've got like default FM as a radio station that they're in Broadband Consciousness, they call it the script which is like the audio version.
What you've learnt going through your life.So when you're born you don't have a script but you go through and you might learn from your parents.Look, when you don't have enough money.You get stressed.You might learn when you're at the airport.It's a really scary experience because you don't know what's going on.And you might learn, you've got to be slim to be happy because you watch your family, stressing about what they're eating and what they're wearing and then slowly it's got these opinions of if you've got a lot of qualifications you must know exactly what you're doing.
And And you get that written into the script as it were and then you're absolutely right.It plays like default FM like you're stupid, you're not good enough, you can't do that.You're not that type of person.They don't believe what you're saying, you're not a good fit, you're going to get found out worried worried, worried worried, and it still Pops in for me.
Now, like after a bitch, they always want to say, oh it's going to be bleeding to death right now, but I can tune out of that and say, look, I was happy with my hemostasis at the end of the surgery.It's got a nice capillary refill time.Normal.It's got pink mucous membranes.
It's got a normal heart rate and a normal respiratory.This dock is not bleeding out.Thank you for your input.So those that the secret is a logic, defeat the script with logic or how do you how do you defeat the script?So the script is always going to keep coming back but you choose not to believe it.
All that I do.It comes down to really simple choices.Would I choose to feel like this or not and if you're not choosing to feel like that you're having a feeling because thoughts lead to Feelings lead to actions.You have enough thought that you probably wouldn't choose.So I just say is this me or is this a script?
And if it's not me, I know it's the script and usually, I just stay there, tell a better story myself, or I just let it drift past because at the end of the day we all get quite conditioned to think that for the facts and that every thought that we have must have some significance and it must be true but it's not thoughts just Float by like there's a really nice analogy and CBT where they say, imagine that your brain is a road.
He stood aside to the road and going past on the road, a big double decker buses, switchy off arts, and some of them say on them, like I'm stupid, I'm a bad fair.I'm not very good at this.You don't have to get on every bus that goes past.The thought can come into your head and it can leave but you don't have to give it significance and say, look, there's a reason this is here.
It's just like their pop that far and I think the mold That we talk about things like that, and the more like Gerardo can say, you know, sometimes I have these thoughts and they'll all look at you on Instagram as the amazing that that you are and say, well, if he thinks that sometimes and I know it's not true, then maybe it's not true for me as well.
Hmm.The one of the things that actually was a defining thing in my head.What's actually changing my first word?And I think it was a Tony Robbins thing, but I'd like a totally believe that it has made the biggest difference in that.And then that was just like Like how do I respond to a situation and used to be holy shit?
I can't believe this is happening.I can't.Oh my God has happened to me.Oh my God.And then it would, it would start a Cascade of just like anxiety, stress pressure, and then rolls down into.I can't, I can't do this.I'm not qualified enough about but I wanted a bar and there are some complete things, I'm not qualified to do.
Like I'm not going to go scoop brain out of a dog's head with a spoon, right?Okay, but but, but there are things now where it's like Like it's just you just need like it just need a couple seconds to choose the word that comes to my mind.Now, whenever something bad, you know, director of to hospitals and get bad stuff all the time, we got the, the oxygen plant shut down and I know instantly that's like twenty thousand dollars or something like that.
Right.And it's like how do I stop that?How do I stop them from actually destroying my day?It's like wow the word is wow for me and all of a sudden it's like wow.And then I Got two seconds.I'm like Nick question is.Okay, what are we going to do?And it's just become a habit of mine which actually helps me actually cope with some pretty big stressful things.
And and and it slowly then is translated into the fact that the radio station is always going to play and I can't control the radio station but slowly over time slowly over time, the radio station would change tuned because of the fact that actually the way that I respond to it, I don't shut it.
Doubt, but I actually kind of just changed the way that I respond.So, I don't know.Did you change that would like, is there something about Just accepting that.The radio station is going to play and you like, just think it somehow sometimes because I'm some some psychologists some therapist will go you.
Thank you radio station.Aw, thanks that's really helpful.Thank you for alerting me but I choose to act this way.I mean, certainly I think definitely in terms of the radio station sometimes I think rather than the fact that you can shut it off, I almost think about just switching channel and it is always going to keep trying and pop its input in because it's been there for years.
This is the thing, it took me 25 years to discover this.So it was very familiar to have that radio station playing and sometimes.Yeah, I do say thanks for your input but I don't believe you.Thank you for that.But I'm going to choose something different and yet.Absolutely right.Like event plus responses, the outcome, like whatever happens.
It's just going to be the way that you respond to it.That dictates what's actually going to happen in the end.So yeah, I do think it sometimes otherwise that you breakfast is from.So you can you can coach me coach Kelly because I'm II's our city really know all these things.
I've read a lot about it and, and, and try to try to apply it to my own life and that, but then, sometimes that that script or Dorado If you you say to me, laughs yujin thing, the oxygen oxygen generators just died.And even though it hasn't happened, I got a half.
I don't say, oh, well, I say, oh, if and then and then I'm aware that it's in the back of my head that thought.So let's say I've got a problem at work, the client can play time dealing with or staff issue or something like that, and I have a plan to deal with it.
And then, but then now I've got to go and hang out with my kids.Now, go kick a ball at the beach, or something like that.Tomorrow, I'm going to deal with that problem, that bloody voice even though, I even though I recognize it, I go, is I know what you're doing.I don't need to worry about this now.
Thank you.I worry about it tomorrow.And then five minutes later, they're gonna suggest to remind you.He still have that problem.That you have to do with you, have you thought about it recently?I'll tell you that is exactly what the script does.
Like it's constantly going to keep chipping in and trying to tell you these things.That the first thing that I always explain to coaching client says, we explain who they really are which when you look at in science, have done studies to try and work out the odds of us actually landed on this planet as a human being.
And the crazy thing is that the minimum odds were 1 in 400 trillion or it could actually be 1 in 400 quad-core Really in Omaha for us to be here.They went through like the old, serve your mother meeting your father, the odds of like gametes lining up the and they get to that final figure and yet the script will constantly every day.
Try and pull you away from that that importance and that power.And that specialness to look at, like all this is important and this is important.And so many of these things aren't going to be important.So what I'd be doing than that circumstances, sometimes you Can visit worst case scenario, you know, if it's same to you, they'll be absolutely no oxygen available.
Well, you know what would happen in that circumstance?Could I deal with it?Would there be a way to cope with it?And there would be a need to come up with a logical explanation.So you take away its power when suddenly because it's trying to get you with what if this happens?Well, if you visit that and say, well I do this then suddenly it doesn't have anything, I'll be so you can say right.
Okay, thank you.And then at the end of the day, so People balance their identity and self-worth on external things.So whether that's on their qualification, the hospital that they owned anything else and actually our self-worth needs to come down to be nose and being alive because that's the only thing that can't be taken away.
And that like we say the one in four hundred trillion odds, which is crazy when you think about it.It's the same odds as flipping a coin 30,000 times in the row and it always landed on its Edge.So I'd I just first of all when that virus comes in call, it's Bluffs a right.
Okay, if that did happen I deal with it.Could we be wrong like what if something good happened?What if it's okay?What if things do work out because we've become so accustomed, down the thought past of these negative thoughts and things that.What if we change that belief?
What if we change our interpretation the same way that your era do changes his response to a situation?And while this matter in five years time because again, the script To catastrophize, it likes to make things worse and when you get catastrophize ation, you get procrastination and you end up sitting and dwelling on those thoughts.
And the final one thing I'd say is when you are feeling like you stop listening to it go and change your state go and do some exercise go and distract yourself gently from it.Because the way that one of my coaches, says she names her script, she says, she's Scottish actually the lady.
So she calls her script.We fat Brittany and she says, Has she just wants her to lie in bed all day, eat cake lie under the duvet and hide away from everyone.And she said, that's not the solution because what you give energy to grows.So if you sit and think on these thoughts, like, oh my God, and then this will happen and this will happen, and this will happen, then you almost live.
It's like we were saying before, your brain doesn't know the difference between excitement and fear, it also doesn't know the difference between reality and Imagination.So your physiology changes in the way that all those things that already have.And so you suffer twice, you suffer once from the imagination version of it, where your brain has gone through in your head and then you suffer again, if it actually happened.
So, you said something several times are probably at, think about 20 times.And I think it's the keyword, like, me personally, I think it's actually the key word when you're stuck or when you, I don't know, procrastinating.
When you Just not doing the things you should do or you feel like as if the way forward or you're overwhelmed, like I feel like that one word is what is like but like what could I do?What should I do?
What if what would the best version of me do right now?What would Hubert do right now?You know what word gay you do right now is a little fancier but door just normally Superman.You get a coach yourself?
Yeah.Yeah.All of a situation because no one's going to come tap you on the shoulder.A kkkt, you stuck under the duvet what should you be doing right now instead of watching Netflix?I don't know.Know for me lately.I fit for me, like the fundamental thing is, what should I do?
What could I do?I think definitely you just take it down to, is there anything I can do right now?Which is going to come down to?Yes, or no.If it's a no, then we've got to Just be stronger with ourselves.And say, look, there is nothing we can do right now, if there is yes, can I do it right now or can I plan to do it?
And the script is so good at thinking, 95% about the problem and 5% solution.And then we choose like the real, it was one in four hundred trillion like you've landed on planet Earth as a human.It was start thinking solution, and then things move forward.
The reason why I like, what as opposed to he's is because what is it is a, yes, no right.But what?Like you have no, yes, no.It's like, oh yeah.What could I do?Like, and like, only because I used to ask my kitten, myself as like, is this something I can do now?And it's like, no, there isn't something new.
It's their fault.It's the situation that I am, but it was like, what can I do now?It's like, okay, what could I do?As a person has a choice and I think my I'm listening to read.You guys are saying and it's and it's all true.I think they what I struggle with more is it's exactly that.
My brain is coming up with The what?But I don't want to think about it now, because I thought it would have already come up with this.I have the word in my head.I have a plan.So now I want to forget about it.I want to engage with, it's mostly with my kids, to be honest.
I want to, I want to do something fun with them and not think about that.And then my brains coming up with more words, what about that?You should go do that.What about?And then I want to go and do it, but I, but it's hard to switch it off and say, not now, just forget to go for a little bit and we can bring it back to this added The stage.
But anyway, we won't, we won't dwell in it.No, no that's that's a really good question 1.Now that's a great question because it's, it's it what happens, right?And you find yourself, it's hard to transition from crisis, to Norman gnome ality, right?Unless you have some kind of ritual or less, you do it deliberately but still the radio station is playing right though.
I don't know Katie.I've of like a potential thing that I use but what would how would you suggest or what would you know domain put you on the spot now but like No, no, that's fine.Mmm, I mean certainly a couple of different things.First thing would be in terms, like, mindfulness being in the moment there.
And then so just even if you take it down to, I find that gratitude tends to flush out everything else going on.So even if you just sat there and you're like, right, I'm going to list 10 things in my head, that I'm grateful for in this moment right now.So that brings you into what's going on.
Now, the second thing will be like meditation For example, is something I definitely changed my mind on recently but that's getting used to just letting this Force float past, but like we're saying with the buses not getting on one of them as well.So when you're in that moment, yep.
The script, all the - voice on the radio station.It's going to come on, but it's almost like a reflex after a while.It does get stronger than my practice.It, thank you for being there.But I'm enjoying the moment right now and here are the things I'm enjoying about and that's why I be doing.So, I'll list in the things you were great. 44 in that moment, taking it all in because so often and Ed my let who's another speaker.
He says that there are two thieves and that's the present the past and the future because they steal you present from me that voice always wants to tell you what has just happened or what's about to happen.And if you're just conscious enough to look at what's happening in front of you right now, then I find that really help certainly I'd be really interested to see what you have to say Gerardo as well if it's along similar.
Mine's, if you've got something different.All right, it's similar to that too.But what, like what I've found is either the same thing as well.It's really hard to switch off because like when you're not thinking about something right, when you're just in the state of just relaxation, or whatever, all the sudden you think of ah, shit, I that's the solution problem, you know.
So your Theta brain States when you're in the shower, just trying to chill all the sudden, you think of solutions for, I don't know how to get to Mars or something like that, right?Right?I don't know.I've never thought of the solution to that, I'm just saying, but but they're just thinking about me when you this is, you know what?
I was going to say, you should chop this out, but you're not going to talk it out.You mortal eyes that are going to be thinking about, you know, I'm in the shower, in the shower.Hey series.
No, no, no.But I actually one thing that I learned this Let's grow actually knew was really powerful for me.This Crow was one of our previous Pods podcast speakers, our guest and she shared about actually how you just go like and it kind of adds on to that radio station where you kind of like try to shut it out.
What you resist, persists, what you resist?Persists, I shouldn't be thinking as I shouldn't be thinking about.This shouldn't be a thing.It's just kind of like much.Like don't slap your brain, ah, stupid.And you should be thinking and be focusing your kids right now.Now just like, oh, I gave, you know, don't slap it and note it, I like I pull out my phone, write a note and then the notes done and because like I get a lot more stress and anxiety around forgetting that solution, or forgetting, that idea or something.
So, I noted, and then I choose.What am I going to do?I can't do anything now, be present.So it's kind of like don't slap choose noted move on and and then for me, particularly, that's really helpful for me, in terms of just becoming more present and And it's a choice.
Yeah, there's definitely something.I heard a good one the other day that said, somebody said your your brain is for coming up with ideas, not for storing ideas, know, once you have it to get it out of your brand because it's, yeah, it's, yeah, I do like that is to just write it down.I'll get it, get it out of your head.
And then, then you can move beyond that, though.Definitely a believer in the what you resist, persists and what you give energy to grows and I find a lot of people sit in there.Why am I thinking this, why am I feeling like this?And The mall that you sit with it, the more it's going to stay there and again with CBT, it's a theory behind people that can't sleep.
So if you sit there and get so angry about the fact that you can't sleep, it just snowballs again and again.So what they suggest to do is sit there and be like, right, I can't sleep night right now, that's okay.It's something that will pass.Eventually we'll get through it, but the more angry that you get and the more that you resist it and you're absolutely right externalizing.
It Minimize this things as well.That's another phrase that I use a lot of my students a lot, as well as to externalize this to minimize.Even if that's just talking about something all writing it down, it's like Alex has this awesome thing because she's pretty good at sleeping and and also like she's really good waking up at same time as well though.
It's not like she's 24 hours a day, but but she had to say that just totally, just like, slap me in the face, and it's kind of like when you're trying to sleep, right?You get angry yourself.What do you do?You stay away because you're trying to sleep and it's almost like a baby.
You don't like slapper baby to sleep.She's okay.I hope you don't do that.Everyone is need right?But you really kind, you really gentle, right?And you kind of like rocker baby to sleep, right?So it's almost like, if you can't fall asleep and you try to get angry yourself, like if that's the worst thing to do because you're not going to then go to sleep because you're angry at yourself so solutely and that's So much, what the CBT theory is behind it as well.
Like we say, they think that the best sleepers of people that are absolutely zero thought behind their sleep.You know, they go, they get into bed, they're not angry for the first few minutes that.Oh my God, I'm not asleep yet.They're just like sleeps going to come eventually, it might be in a couple of minutes.It might be in 30 seconds, but let me relax and then it will be a normal process.
Mmm.This is something right in the beginning of the conversation.In your first job, you asked a lot of questions and then you didn't want to ask any more questions because you felt like you should know this.Is that a common thing with with with new graduate.
Vids.I got I ask because I have seen it in new graduates as an employee, not asking questions.And I want to say, why aren't you asking more questions as did you think it's something that people do struggle with that?Feeling of Well, I shouldn't be asking questions.
Potentially, I mean, even with the mentoring of like, recently graduated, that's cool.Let students that I do talk to it doesn't come up a huge amount.And maybe after this podcast, maybe it'll be something people talk about more because there's almost when you're at school we learned topics that the teacher teaches you so much of it that you're going to get examined on something that they've taught you.
So if you learn enough of what they've given you, you're definitely going to know the answer.Where is being a vet?The so many Thousands of different things that could happen.There's always going to be a red herring that comes up, but we've been so educate through the school system that we should know everything that there's almost for some people.
Maybe a bit of a shame, again, coming from this radio station behind, not knowing an answer and saying you should know this.Where is it be?If the conversation does come up more, because there's always going to be something that some of us don't know particularly in a clinical scenario that a new condition or something that That you learned about at that school, but in 10 years you've never seen and you need to go and back up.
So I think it probably is a bigger issue than we realize and in you're in that position because you said the box was very supportive, was that all?Just you like where the external circumstances that made you feel like you shouldn't people ever get snarky with you or that or was it just you being an overachiever?
I think it was definitely me being an overachiever.I think I would say that that narrative in my head saying you should know Oh, this you'll feel.Okay, when and then the Bauer just get higher and higher, okay?All right, I think the only reason is ask questions people.
Nobody expected to know you 100%.I think just ask away like as much as we say it.And we mean it, there are no stupid questions.Like it's better to ask them to beg forgiveness afterwards.It's better to go and ask the question at the beginning.
I'll flip it around.Most more experienced with that.I know, I actually quite flattered when you ask them a question because you feel like yeah, I know.No, my stuff.I can make you feel nice to be asked a question by a, by a younger.Wait.So there's no shame in asking and from an employer point of view Ryan, okay, so if someone who hires lots of vets, it's the people who ask the questions that I feel more comfortable about hiring.
And the people who don't ask questions and like that is someone who is open and honest and vulnerable but what they don't know and then from an employer's point of view who is employed people and has done many Wrong things.I also believe that actually is part of an employer's responsibility is to be open and vulnerable about what they don't know to rather than Bluff their way.
And feel like as if they should know everything because when an employer shares their vulnerability shares or even learns from their employees, that's a that's a level of connection that's a level of trust that that they're that they're never going to achieve in any other way and what happens Then it opens the, the, the opens the platform and opens the ground for actual mistakes to occur and to not feel judged and to be honest and open about it.
And and that was actually LED not just by me, but actually from the robin Simon who years of experience in emergency and I was scared about sharing the mistakes that I had because I like I like I just didn't want to acknowledge that, I made mistakes that then when they shared their mistakes and shared, How bad their mistakes were.
It was like, oh my God, like, these guys are still successful people, they are amazing venerians, right?And they still make mistakes.And one of them is a specialist, and it just, it actually was this humbling experience of actually.Now, I'm allowed to forgive myself for not knowing stuff, and for making mistakes as well.
It means in the rub is that Rob Webster, who is also a guest on the podcast, Emergency Specialists, who generator works with iPhone and ones that are so nice for me to hear this.I found him about an unrelated matter and he answers the phone and he says each thoughts that conversation with men, I nearly stuffed up a case last night and proceeded to tell me how he missed something, particularly obvious and life-threatening and it was so nice for me to hear him.
Say I stuffed up a case and one of the junior weights picked it up and And stop me from making a major mistake.And so, that's just written.As you say, it's a good laid off.I, I find when I'm very often, when we may have students in the clinical young, evasive ask me question.My answer will very often be, I don't know.
Not sure.Why don't know, let's find out together because Yeah, there's no need to pretend that you know, everything all the time, and isn't it crazy?How the script that negative voice wants a thousand examples of success to label years of success?
Yet it will take one failure and try and label you as a failure with that.And I think the more that as a profession we talk about these things.Like you say like oh my God, I made a mistake the people higher up.They set the culture in the practice that no look, it's fine, don't worry.Obviously be a safe as you can, but there is one day going to be something that you don't know.
And then we act as a team to try and work it out and just making it the conversation because I think for me, A lot of it was that in my head, this voice that was told me you'll be okay.When you've passed your Internal Medicine certificate, for example, I was looking at all the certificate holders who look like they had everything together and they knew everything which was what people saw looking at me from the outside.
But if we'd had that conversation, Ation and said my God, sometimes I still have to go and double check that I'm going to look this up and I just completely didn't know what I was doing with this one, and I felt like a new graduate again.Oh, yeah.That happened to me too.And then suddenly, it normalizes it again, minimize that normalize that I've referred to my own book, because I forget what the hell is in it, but that's why you're here.
I wrote it because I could remember, it says you could refer to it is.That's great.I want to come back a little bit to the specifics of imposter syndrome as, as such as it has a syndrome.
How do you recognize it?Because I think most people will feel these feelings from time to time and I did it a bit of reading before this as well.And apparently like, 80% 85% of people will, yep, have have episodes of called impostor syndrome and I like the, the article I read said not to be confused.
With the syndrome, I forget the name.Listen then we believe that somebody else is actually impressed.So it's not actually my wife, it's an imposter, I'm not talking about that everybody.There's a syndrome like that as well.If an impostor syndrome and the feelings behind it are something that at some point.
All of us will feel at some point in our lives.Now, the definition of imposter syndrome is a personal assistant internalised Out of yourself and not recognizing your achievements, not being able to take compliments that people give to you feeling like you're a fluke for example.
So, in terms of impostor syndrome itself, it's not like a mental health condition, it's just a phenomenon that occurs and I think it tends to occur at certain stages and people's career.So, it feels like it's happening to continuously.
And what I don't like to do as much as I talk about imposter syndrome.Just as a label for these feelings is I never want anyone to label themselves.As I feel like I'm an imposter, I have imposter syndrome because then again what you give energy to grow.So you see it everywhere and you start listening to it, you tune into the radio station.
You tune into that voice Market.You like, oh my God, it's my imposter syndrome.So, the way that I talk about it, I try normalize it.You know, we've all felt like this at some point, and it's maybe not being your choosing.It's something that's happened to you in the past.That's just brought these thoughts about.So if you Like to say, look at the specific definition of b, this persistent internalized, self-doubt feeling, like somebody's going to come along and say, you have not earned those qualifications.
I like him.The article I read said it is a Wikipedia page and in the end, it said, famous people who have openly admitted to severe severe feelings of imposter syndrome.And the one that I liked the most was Neil Armstrong, I'm just picturing Neal on the rocket 540.
Yeah, I'm the wrong present.I shouldn't be 17.I don't think I should be.One of the really interesting things I am.
I once read was a quote saying real imposters don't get imposter syndrome, which I think was super interesting because if you are actually a fraud, you know, you're a fraud and you're winging it and you like someone's going to find me out one day.But I've enjoyed the ride up until now.Yeah.Fraud or a psychopath probably one of the two.
It's okay to you.You sprayed your time between coaching.And then you work on your writing or producing materials, and then you also do clinical work stops and right.Yeah, I still do clinical work so I am, I don't know.
Do you guys use the term local - well yeah, yeah.And I know in there, in the u.s.a., call it more light relief work, totally, but I work as a little comes inside my own limited company.That's a little bit up in the air with some changes at the moment going on in the United Kingdom.But I do probably Two to three shifts per week.
And I started laughing about 18 months ago because I tried to buy into the practice that I was at, but unfortunately, got outbid by corporate, I have a lot of money so I didn't end up getting it which was really sad for me at the time because I'd worked there five years as the senior that I loved it, it would have been my dream.
But you know things happen for a reason and might we say and it's just the way you interpret the situation.So it led me down a very different path.How did you start with the mentoring /?Coaching career side of your career?
So obviously I explained my story in there.The darker times that I've been through and I ended up learning the system of broadband Consciousness which was started by two of my, my mentors.And I probably let it percolate myself for a good year using the techniques and my life completely changed.
As I realize that that negative voice wasn't me.What my true worth was, that actually, although it was telling me all your value is from all these external things, it wasn't true.All along my value was just being me and that took a lot of pressure off.
I was like, wow, I can still do things because I want to, but not because it's trying to make me on for our valuable or a better person and I start talking more to the vets and the nurses that I was working with and it became more and more apparent that everybody felt very similarly.
And we do exercises with a whole practice.Kind of doing.Look, this is what I tell myself but this is what everyone sees you as and we were learning from each other.So I started doing my Instagram page just thinking, you know what?This is too good for me.Not to share.Like, I need to get this out there to help other people because I was in such a bad place where I thought nothing was going to help me actually went and sat when I went on the Broadband Consciousness course, like this last chance of giving myself.
You know, I think my brain is broken.You know, ones as broken as me know and I'll fix me and was like, wow, this This actually worked for me and from there, it kind of just snowballed in the fact that more people are contacting me and asking me, I ended up doing a coaching class as well and organically, it's kind of grown from there.
You know, people come to me.I don't really advertise it specifically.My, my main aim is just to help other people because the horrible place that I was in with all those external achievements, my life had been performance-related experience where when I've got qualifications and was doing.
Well, if I owe you, my life is What?And if something went wrong, it would fail you.My life is terrible and I wanted to show people, the there was another way and that's where the coaching came about.So that's officially been going for about a year now.And like I say I've got a good number of clients.
I've been asked to speak at quite a few larger events in the UK this year and I just believe that things will happen because you put in good out there and like whether we want to think about it in terms of the law of cause and effect or If we want to think about the law of attraction or in simple sense, what you put out there comes back to you, it 100% works.
I just keep putting the good stuff out there and I'll tell you good stuff.Keeps coming back.Yeah, there was something you said before, actually it's really sort of resonated with me because I haven't heard human of say this before, but it's it's actually changing your state, right?
And and and was maybe regarding when you're in a situation where I feel like as if you actually aren't regular, you know, your thoughts aren't self-serving you and so forth.And and you mentioned so like changing your state and in what way did do you coach your clients or what way, do weather changing you stayed benefits?
Cut their benefits.People, I think it just changes the thought pattern, so whether you're looking at it down at a CBT path or whether you're looking at it on a Broadband Consciousness, path.It Directs our attention and whether it's that you just getting your heart rate up.
I found, for example, I did a lot of CrossFit for years and I used to find that some of those workouts.I know you do a lot of hit training so you'll know when you're so busy dying on the floor, you don't have any time to think about what that voice is telling you, you're just gasping for breath and hoping that you survive the rest of this workout of the day.
So I find that a state changes sometimes it's just a change of scenery, a change of input and it breaks the cycle that you end up with.Cycle, if you've got a panic cycle, maybe so your heart rates going up and you're worried.So you think, oh my God, there's something wrong.
I'm listening to the script, the negative voices there.Your adrenaline goes up, you got more physical Sensations.It's getting worse.Something's definitely wrong on my God.What's wrong with me?My brain is not working and just physically getting yourself up moving away from that.Identifying, that it's not you very much changing.
Your state is quite a Tony Robbins thing and but I find that it works for me and it works for a lot of people even If it's just sometimes, as crazy as your say, to somebody, get up for the next minute, jump up and down on the spot, increase your energy changes state, get out of this, like the scripts, the - ice will have you sort of hunch sit down introvert, think inwardly whereas that just changes your physiology and changes your mind as well.
Yes, it see.That's that's kind of exactly the way that I consider it in and how it goes. coaching clients, I help them as well, get to the point where they Always have this kind of State in mind, like, it's, and it's kind of what we call it a five-star formula.
And the first step is changing your state and everybody understood it because it's like, well well you know if I'm feeling down I should just be able to turn my thoughts of and just feel happy again, right.And then so so you'll read things like.
Okay you should smile instead of like frown big and that's part of the change in your state.It's like you can actually Really decide to physically change your status, kind of like when you're depressed and sad or overwhelmed and stuff.You will find yourself in a state where you kind of hunched over kind of work and your computer, just like falling asleep in, just like this sucks and I don't even know why I'm doing this and whatever, right.
But then if you physically actually change your state to a more upright posture, shoulders back chin up kind of thing, right?You like your mind is your mind follows your physical state so much easier than you actual mind.
And then your body following a physical state.It's kind of like you can trick your mind physically like by changing your physical state.So much easier than actually just trying to tell you mine.Hey be happy now.You should be happy.So absolutely.
I mean, I don't know if you guys have locked her come across much about neuroplasticity before and the mind-body connection because that's something that I'd certainly changed my mind on of the last few years and that's super powerful.Again, I don't know if it's something you've come across.So read the Tim, but please expand.
So it's talking about 44 years.So used to just think you're well, your brain was hardwired and that was how it was.It was going to function.Yeah, but they started to look into and realize that actually what we do with our body and our mind are so interconnected.
So we've said before your brain doesn't know the difference between something, it's imagined and something is actually seen But like we see with the state and smiling, for example, will falsely make your body think that you're happier.They've done so many experiments where they've looked at the mind-body connection and for example those I think it was Harvard University.
The did what we call the piano study which Was where they had one big group of people, half of them for two hours, a day for five days, they had to play like five piano, key sequence, so they could have little breaks in between, but they just have to keep playing with those.
Same thing as ding.Ding ding, ding leaving again and again, 5 days.And what they did was every day, they scanned them and looked at that part of the brain.And they saw that by the end of the five days that part of the brain of grown, because of the fact that there was a greater use of a muscle the motor, Cortex.
That was devoted to it grew.Interestingly they took the same number of people they'll have their hands flat on the table and they had to imagine that they will play in those five keys for the exact period of time for five days and the Brain grew in the exact same way.
As the ones that had actually played it, like, you couldn't it was completely indistinguishable between the two sets of results to the people that played the five piano keys and the people are just imagined it.And that just shows you the power of the connection between The mind and the body.And there's another one where they had someone fair, I think it was two months for 15 minutes a day.
They had to flex a little finger and they found it at the end of that period, the people that are done that this little finger was 50% stronger, but the people that imagined it, a lot of fingers, still 37 percent stronger.There's Timothy like that with basketballers, they got like basketball college, basketball players and they got them to.
So one group to practice, actually physically shooting hoops and one group that imagine shooting hoops and like get in the hoop, like getting it in the hoop and they were equally as a source like it was sufficient.But what you're saying is you with your CrossFit Katie, and you with your hits and all that stuff, the fools I'm like this.
The super interesting one way, they're looking at rehabilitating people from horrible injuries, you know, whether can't walk and things and the ones where they did physio for everyone.But the group where they actually had to spend time visualize and then imagining getting up and walking again and going through the motion of it, recovered significantly faster than the ones who just had this video alone.
So when you look at all this, it's it's phenomenal that When we go through these things and I had you listened to the radio station, you listen to The Script, whatever you want to call it, those thoughts that zip past that aren't yours when you get on them and you lift them after a while, it's going to make a change in your brain, right?
We say, there is a way to rewire your brain and start thinking about thinking, they also think that the thought process can affect like your empathy and your compassion.So it just opens up a huge amount of possibility for the power of our brain.Like you say with Gerardo says like the State that wearing, you think about if you put yourself in like a hunched crippled State, you're going to feel pretty down, whereas if you sit up straight and Stand Tall before you go into, like do a talk for example.
And you're telling yourself, like you were saying at the beginning, Simon sinek with his, your brain doesn't know the difference between excitement and nervousness, male robin.She says similar, she says, before she goes into a talk, she says, I'm excited.I'm excited.She's like, my heart's going like crazy.
I could easily.Myself, I'm terrified but I stand back.Put my shoulders down stand straight.Put myself in the position of the person that I am.Like, how much more special do we want to feel?If one in four hundred trillion, I mean it's pretty crazy odds to overcome to get here and then go on and be the person that you choose to be not listening to that voice on the radio station being like, hey, what if they don't listen to you, what if they don't believe you?
Well you know what, it doesn't matter if they don't believe you because that's them.You can't control what goes on in there?Ahead.You can just give it your best.I have this secret that I share their all share to everyone.Now now, I will she catch a you guys?But it didn't like, but I go like several layers further or maybe this is, like, just normal for people.
I don't know, but I have this like completely rehearsed image in my mind and I know it's called the G because everyone's BG and, and there's this moment about five years ago, Where I Stood on stage and I presented.
And I see people, but I could see light, I could feel heat and I can feel the presence of people but I felt in this like this moment where I what I was talking about I just had complete certainty about what I was talking about how to explain it and the outcome that I was going to achieve, and the are now now come was is like like clapping and evasion but there was a moment of just pure just, how would you say I was just in this performance State and I can close my eyes and I can still I can still feel like I've rehearsed Us.
Rehearse it so many times, my mind how my body was, how I was standing how like my suit jacket felt and how the shoes would be bit tight around my shoes.But the thought process that you were may had the language, there was in my head and then what that language, then made this situation mean and I pull that out when I'm real down and out because it's kind of like what would the G do here?
And that's my most powerful state of ever been in my whole entire life.And This has helped me come out of these dark areas because the G would do this.Get up out of your bed.You lazy bastard and take some action, know whatever may be right but you know that's that's visualization like at its best and that's something that again I used to think that visualization was a bit hippie and a bit.
We were in a bit crazy but it's not because again like we see with neuroplasticity brain doesn't know the difference.So if you focused on that every day and play that again and again slowly bring one Know that.That's you.That's the real you and it's any kind of that makes it.
Then you can kick the radio station down a little bit.You can start listening to the scripts like no, this is me.I'm like Kick-Ass I'm going to go out there and do a good job and the more that I read about visualization and it's something that one of my other mentors that I've had, he was an ex emergency doctor consultant and he taught me about visualization, which is amazing, the power behind it like there.
So many books out there on it, but you only have to look at some of the most successful people Sportsman.Businessmen athletes don't do similar, like they'll walk go through in the head lose and they'll sit and the like physically think about getting the shot.
You, there's a brilliant video out there on YouTube of Conor McGregor the face.So who says, when I was Island, I used to drive around in a clapped-out fiesta, but I was pretending that it was a soft-top, Bentley in California.Like that was what I was pretending noses drive around man.He's like now here I am.
I stuffed up, Bentley in California and you might argue and say how many people To be out there that do that and out in a soft top Bentley in California.But at the end of the day, how much more fun?And they're going to be having if they're pretending that they are driving around in their soft top Bentley in California, even if they are in Ireland and a little cuts out car, that's going to break down, it's all about perception visualization.
The meaning that we give to things like you say the response that we choose and that's the power of our brain.And and what hopefully more and more people are learning about.Interesting thing I heard the other day is because it sounds more and more and from what you're saying.
And from what I've heard before as well, is it is, it is draining.So you have two old train your brain to think in these ways.And so you mentioned meditation earlier, I'm learning more and more.That meditation is training your brain to think in that way.
So that when it's necessary, it will default to that way.But so then they somebody compared it to to physical exercise.But the great thing that I had, which is new to me, was that unlike physical exercise?You can train your brain, those ways, and then stopped raining.
And but the change is remain, so it's not like weightlifting.Then you got to go skinny again.Your brain actually keeps those habits.Those those neurological changes that occur are actually permanent.Certainly I think that does happen because it just gets easier because I thought processes or something.
At going on all the time.So rather than like physically going to the gym and lifting weights, it's almost like having a job where you having to lift heavy boxes all the time.So all of it comes down to Consciousness, really, and being awake.And like we said at the beginning, knowing that every thought that you have whichever method, you're going to choose to try and rationalize.
Those thoughts are not just realize that not every one of them is a fact and you don't have to own every thought that comes into your head.And then slowly like with Meditation.The idea of meditation is that you can sit and watch thoughts float past.Sometimes I'll be nothing in your head, us all, but you don't give significance to them and that's the real power.
Fantastic.We should probably start wrapping up.I could talk to you all night.I love this stuff.Katie we.Well, first of all, Katie have you got anything, anything else that you want to talk about or mention or bring up that you think is important?Yeah, we covered a lot of stuff for me.
I know you are saying what can people actually do in terms of impostor syndrome and dealing with it?What I'd say if I ran down like really quickly a few points, I'd say first one, we talked about it, just talk about how you feeling say, you know what, I feel like I'm doubting myself today and then someone else or say it and you start the conversation.
The second thing, like we said, don't don't own every thought that you can have.And don't think that every thought that you have is a fact.Act and that there's a basis behind it and you don't have to get on every thought and run with it.Remember that it's normal sometimes to feel like an impostor because that might be a point of growth.
Like that's the point when that voice is going to speak loudest, other thoughts or come in most rapidly anything, you know what?Maybe this means that I'm growing and progressing, rather than it being that.Oh my God.Damn.It's a - there's a brilliant Thing by Bob Proctor where he talks about being a terror barrier, where you've got two ideas that don't line up in your brain.
You've got the new idea and you've got, like, your subconscious pre-programming and when you get to the point of making a breakthrough, you hit what we call the terror barrier.Now, a lot of people will bounce off the terror barrier, back to where they were and back to where they were comfortable with.Sometimes it's pushing through that Tara barrier and be like, no, I choose this.
I know it doesn't feel comfortable right now, but I'm doing all the right things and then you've got freedom on the other side of the terror barrier.So know, it might just be growth, choosing your own story and your own interpretation of things and Looking after yourself and your self worth knowing that not knowing it.
The quest the idea the answer, sorry to a question or not knowing what's going on with the case.Doesn't make you a bad person just means that you've got to learn something more.So they be they'd be my my main points of people and celebrating your wins.Be the final thing that voice in your head will always be like right next thing.
You've got that next thing but make a conscious pile of been like no you did this.There was no mistake the exam board.Somebody thought you deserve this?Combination on the day that you did it and as much as a classic one.For me, that negative voice wants to say, if you start that exam against a, you wouldn't pass it or maybe I wouldn't because I wouldn't have had six weeks revision.
Like I did before the last one, but it doesn't take away the qualification that I've already got.So they'd be my my main points for people to take.I love the last one, the love one, last one about celebrating wins and and and I totally believe that integrating winds into your identity is One of the most, I don't know, like Pauly skilled things that we do.
Right?You know, there's always a next level or it was always either that person helped me.So it wasn't really quite me or we just forget on a daily basis.The winds that we have, I don't know.I gave like just my final question is, how do you how do you get people to integrate winds into their identity?
The first thing I do, like we said before, is I remind them who they really are and that none of their worth actually fits on these things like you are not a better person because you've got a vet degree.So you wouldn't find that person out on the street and say, you're a better person because you've got a vet degree.
I just say, look all that work that you did brought this about?It's yours.There is no mistake but the whole point of a density, your whole strength and power 6 with who you are.And that you're here.You completely unique individual and you can't compare unique.
I think the minute that you try and make them a more valuable person by adding those weapons, suddenly the scared of the main taken away again if that makes sense.So that's that's the main basis of I teach people is it starts with self worth.And again, another, I had my like thing but he talks about being blissfully dissatisfied, he says be happy with what you've got but want to do more, so it's like the win is yours.
Let's talk about what the script says.Saying let's talk about what the - Isis own, but it's yours.But even if it was taken away, You're Still you you still amazing?You still brilliant.You can still go out there and do what you want to do with fight this antivirus on your brain essentially because that's what we're not given at any point through school, which is taught to compare and compete.
And that when we get into school, maybe we're not very good at this.So perhaps worth five out of ten and not ten Outta ten and when we get a certificate that we feel like a six for a little bit and then we drop that down to a five.So that's that's the main way that I do.
I try and get people's identity set on the fact of who they are, rather than what they've got totally.Yeah, nowadays, I agree.It's awesome.Thank you.Have you got any for the final wrap-up questions?Have you got any new favorite podcast?
I you podcast listener other than the V8 felt.Obviously, hey, that's obviously, I have a podcast listener.And obviously the bad folk.And in terms of my favorite ones, actually come from the not the non Veterinary world.So I really like the Gary Vee audio experience.
I love the Ed my let show.Sort of the one by a girl called Laura and ticknor I like salsa.Of development type podcasts.But I always just see what I can glean from them that fits in with like my view and and how I see the world.But I constantly just fill myself with with material like that.
Are you a podcast listener?Earlier called part our podcast integrator like cut fast and podcast called past, but I marry my kids and I have talked about starting a podcast and we kind of call it.The car that's always going to be a very deliberate podcasts and I like and every podcasters duratec nuggets like it and and I integrate, you know, like I'm not like one just sits in the car and scared.
That's good.Now, forget about it two minutes later like I don't know II, love actionable steps, I hate podcast where the go through and you're like, I haven't actually learn anything.I can actually do here.So yeah, I try and put them into my daily routine like I upon my day out, I track What I've Done during the day, I look at my wins for the day.
I look at my gratitude for the day.So if there's anything that I can try and put in there's actually it's a super interesting Theory by Tim Ferriss.He says, try something completely.Eat when you are, try the opposite for 48 hours and see how it suits you.And I quite often do that, you know, if I like the idea of something but I'm not quite sure whether I can integrate it.
I'll try it for a few days and think and then reassess, is this something that's actually going to benefit me?Is this something that I'm choosing or is this something that the script once?Because it's like a productivity thing.So, very much, an action taker, I like a good actionable step.So how does it look for you?
And for you Dorado, if you say you you'd write it down like where do you keep it?If you had a physical diary or file on your computer or what do you do with it, I'm asking because I'm only now, but after being a poker static for five years.Now, I'm figuring out a structure of what to do with the stuff.
I'm learning.But how it, what do you do with it?But just with your learning, I have a notebook.Well, I have several notebooks but I usually just put it all in one and so it's full and then I quite like to revisit them after that as well.So I try and put it all in one place if I can.But It just get full quite quite.
By the time I've made enough notes in there.Mmm.I'm a, I use my phone and I actually take notes.So I go split screen of my phone podcast playing and then know I use OneNote and just making sure it's called.
Yeah, it's called one note and it syncs across to my computer.And what I do is actually I just create I write down the title of the podcast so I know where he got it from.And then also then the topic of the Cast confidence or win integration or ritual or something.
And then I write the notes down as I go through because then what happens is I can search for it.So I know where she is.So hmm, while you're driving, I don't know.Dude, does drive itself?But you know this is my problem, listening is in the car so I'm like to write that down for a while.
Actually had a cutting board on the driver's seat with a notepad and then what I was doing with as I was driving, because I could write without looking and I would write down notes as I was driving and then it was like, it was just like a notepad I had.
And it was full of scroll, but I could still read it.But yeah, that's getting desperate.I wouldn't suggest have been a country on your lab writing notes as Alright, and then we've got a final wrap-up question.Ian.So here you are a public speaker.
So this is not too unfamiliar for you.You're at a conference and you've got the tire world's Brittany, new graduates, listening to every word you're saying, and you've got a couple of minutes to tell them just one thing.What's your one message that they have to hear my one thing?
And it might seem like a bit of an overused cliché in the vet profession, but it would be to be kind and that's to themselves and so everyone else around them as well.Whether that's being kind and looking after yourself and looking after the thoughts that you have, and being your own best friends because that's going to send you far in life, not feeling like everything that you do needs to be done in the next 3 months, 6 months.
If you want to be a specialist, brilliant, But realize it's going to take time and be kind to yourself in the process and realize that everybody probably has something going on there.Listening to these thoughts, as well.So just being kind, that's the biggest message that I give.I love it.
Thank you so much.That was excellent, thank you for having me.I really enjoyed it.I love the idea here of humid thinking about me in the shower.I love it.Thank you so much.That was excellent, thank you for having me.I really enjoyed it.I love the idea here of humid thinking about me in the shower.

Dr. Katie Ford