Feb. 28, 2020

#24: Mindset and Connection, with Dr. Charlie El-Hage

#24: Mindset and Connection, with Dr. Charlie El-Hage
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The first time you meet Dr. Charles El-Hage, you’ll think to yourself: “who the heck was that guy?! There’s something about him that makes me want to speak to him a some more.” And then, when you ask someone about him you’ll see their face light up with a smile, and they’ll say, “oh that’s Charlie, he’s great. Let me go introduce you.” So, let’s introduce you... When he’s being Dr. Charles El-Hage he is a Lecturer in Veterinary Clinical Medicine and Surgery at the University of Melbourne. After decades in large animal practice he returned to the Equine Centre where he worked as a clinician for three years, and then later as a lecturer whilst completing his PhD. He has a range of equine interests including virology, immunology, toxicology, endocrinology, parasitology and theriogenology. He is currently researching infectious conditions of horses and immunological responses. In 2016 he completed a PhD, and he has published original research and reviews on multiple equine diseases. When he’s being Charlie he’s an inspiration to scores of students, a front-line charity worker and champion for animals in developing countries around the globe, more recently in Indonesia, he’s a traveller, adventurer, father, competitive long distance runner and friend to many. Travel with us through Charlie’s career as we talk about bad bosses, great clients, creating connections, his charity work, his thoughts on finding the best place to give your gifts to the world, mindset, and much much more.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.This is Gerardo Poli.And this, sorry.
One of the best bits of advice I've ever received, was to find, good mentors and to learn from them.Trusted people who have already done what you're trying to do.Now I've been fortunate throughout my career to have some, fantastic mentors to help guide me, but I realize that they'd be hard to find and also hard to commit the time to 1.
This is why we've gathered some of the best Minds from the vet new world and squeeze them for their wisdom.So that you Enough to learn the hard way with the help of our guests.We flipped the veterinary profession on its back and explore.Its soft underbelly to find the tips tools and inspiration that you'll need to build the career that you've always wanted.
I'm Gerardo Poli, I'm Hubert him strapped and this is the vent valve.Hello, hello.Hello red Walters and thank you for joining us.
Again, we trust that you're still getting as much out of listening to the podcast as we do from talking to our amazing guests.Gerardo, welcome home.You've been globe-trotting though?Yeah, I was approached by the Ross University students.
And when it did a talk there on emergency topics but also trained, 22 of them in to be recovered certified CPR Rescuers.And then also talk about Leadership business as well.So wasn't able to tack on a performance conference by Brendon burchard which was incredible.
There was a San Diego.Was it good?Are those guys?I've always wondered about those sort of, sort of conferences.Go, I'm actually funny enough currently reading his book after you and I, he was told me.So how much more value is there from the, from the conference, then the information that you get in a book like that?
Ah, no.It was incredible.The conference was incredible, is the E focus on the triangle of achievement or He's performance at saying, first is mine, body activation really kind of getting your mind and body and shape.And then the other aspect of triangle was achievement strategies talked about systems or systems are used to achieve and to be productive and then thirdly talks about people and because obviously, we're a social Society.
Everything we do generally involves other people, if we can connect and communicate and influence and persuade much better, then we are able to achieve the things we want to achieve in a Engaging in collaborative manner.So totally 100% hpx live was probably the best conference I've been to for a while on performance and productivity and Personal Achievement.
So what's going to change?What are you from?I going to tell you, what are you going to do differently after the conference as opposed to before?Yeah, also do a lot of stuff already in terms of resetting and keep my mind and body active.I have morning rituals, I have things which keep me energized during the day.
In terms of Mind and Body, activation hourly, reset rituals is actually wrong going to start doing now.But, but more, how would you say in a more structured manner?So and then also in terms of achievement strategies, a lot of planning actually the more planning than they normally do around planning the day and making sure that I focus primarily on what is it, the key productive outputs that I need to do.
Cam.And make sure I get those sorted first before I figure in the else out and don't get sidetracked.And then with regards to people actually really focusing on collaborative works and and and ways to bring people along for the ride and and develop career Pathways which is kind of what I'm doing today.
Yes.Oh yeah, talk about quite a lot and of got several things that I'm going to toggle for myself.So awesome.I'm excited to see what what effects all of this is going to have with the Podcast, it will be enabling YouTuber to be the best, and most awesome version of you because it's the brains behind this, bro.
All right.Let's get back to our guests.So the first time that you be dr.Charles L hog.You'll probably think to yourself who the heck was that guy?And without knowing why you'll probably find yourself thinking that there's something about him, that makes you want to speak to him a little bit more and find out more about him and then you'll ask somebody about him.
And when you ask them, if they know you'll see their faces just light up in a huge smile and they'll say, oh that's Charlie.He's awesome.Let me go introduce you.So let's introduce you.So when he's being dr.Charles a hog.
He is a lecturer in Veterinary, clinical medicine and surgery at the University of Melbourne.In Australia after Decades of Large Animal Practice, he returned to the equine Center where he works as a, where you work.It does a clinician for three years and then later, he stepped up into a lecture in role while completing his Ph.D.
He has a range of equine and interests and career including all the ologies virology mineralogy, toxicology and rhinology, parasitology, and Darrell Darrell original.Apologies, old LG's welage is that I can think of and he's currently researching infectious conditions of horses in the human immunological responses to those infectious conditions.
So it's got a lot of this plate.He completed his PhD in 2016 and has published many original research and reviews on numerous equine diseases.So, when he's being Charlie, he's an inspiration to scores of students a Frontline, charity work, and in Champion for animals and developing countries around the world and most recently in Indonesia.
He's a traveler Adventurer, father, competitive, long-distance Runner, and a great friend to many So in this episode travel with us through Chinese career, as we talk about bad buses, great clients creating connections with people.His charity Works.
He's towards on finding the best place to give your gifts to the world mindset and much, much more.Now, we did have a little bit of technical problems with this recording and with the internet.So, Charlie sound is not the best.I do apologize, but I do urge you have a listen, Charlie has a lot of value to add so stick with it.
It will be well worth it.If you're interested in getting involved in the work in Indonesia, send us an email at V broadcast at gmail.com, we working on some future trips there, including some students pay trips.So if you want to go practice your surgery in Paradise while contributing to the welfare of the dogs there.
Hit us up.Please enjoy dr.Charles L Hogg.Welcome back to the vet belt.But cast, everybody, we hope you enjoyed the last episode and I am personally very excited about today's guest dr.
Charles I'll hug is a friend of mine and I've gone on a day trip to Indonesia with him and we've been working together on a couple of projects but I'm very Jeff just get it on the podcast because there's some questions that you just can't ask a friend casually.
It's just not appropriate to probe to deepen and just that acquaintances are I said, today, I'm going to write all the questions.I've always wanted to ask it right there.Welcome to the podcast alley.Thanks very much.Charlie.From what?I understand.You're a lecturer than an open unity in Australia.
Is that right?I guess.
Like meaning that you practice as well as as lecturer or your practice when I first came to the university but we had an ambulatory Clinic after helping but with indicate the specialist referral clinic.
So I withdrew and stop being a clinician actively being efficient and it may be downloaded.They do this because about infectious diseases, anatomy and a bit of clinicals.
I'm bit of a jack, bald-faced sounds like one of the active conditions.They give all the clinical stuff but now I've just reached a boiling and hopefully for theoretical but still Sigma self as a clinician to do anything ambulatory obviously talking about horses.
So did you start your career, then recreate horses with horses.As a started as a dairy, dairy, practice, exams West Victoria.And it's one of those practices where the guy's the partners like to do all the cows and they don't wanna do any, dogs are going to do any horses, any caps.
So I became very good at dog and cat surgery and then diffuse there were a few watch papers around and they were met with derision usually Is the fact that but actively Republic's and Propst, which is really a shame because there were no most horse heads and they used to get these bit about 150 meters away which is nothing for you guys.
But it's five pounds away from us and eventually one of its labor, they were Consulting in a case to Egypt, something about the laws of meat to the LIE was a practitioner.They either nearby factors and that that said, well, you're silly have to get Charlie.
So although that's what they say don't be sitting, pretty much no bald.And I've been studying.All those cases are decided it really hate getting gummy bear.She maybe I'll buy this horse, so I started doing a lot more horses.
And then they'd know I thought well, I feel like I have a space and work at the same thing for the problem oriented.I live Victoria that I live only up working in that per track that every practice if I let the boss was an old guy and nothing wrong with that, but he is he is a self-made work for and is pretty I don't know at some spado going to Prevail hopefully By objects that he was, he wasn't.
Well, he didn't give me regular gloves for starters.
I think it takes away from your field.Maybe he's lost.
How like a rotten car being as well.Kid was with them.I think that's why those guys you just roll those older guys.Yeah, but it only thing the kid begin to practice to be honest was that their clients prefer rocks up there be clients than their feel those opposed guys they they just to keep me going so far from a pretty early age on a client but my boss for for support them.
How long did you stick it out?
Be as a new graduate because somebody else had just left the practice.All that for people have left the factors, people would be any board, another fellow called fouls.So there was to study was me and I started before the average house and he would go and tell pliers.
It's relevant me.They'd say, how's work going?And he'd say are playing pretty busy.I've only got this one better.
How do you put up with it?Have you got any advice to put up with that sort of situation?But but I want to say, the only advice they should be to just run.My advice.Did you graduated?They looking at jobs this is a vegetable.
You think the boss world will support you and look after you.And I'd say I actually give you recognize about a triple that the you think that I'll be supporting on look after they're not they're not more worried about, they're not focused on themselves that they'll look after you.
And I think it did that fairly quickly.Usually, I recommend people be with the any Employer for a day, not just for half an hour, but Brad able to and assist them.I think the only way I survived that it's pretty tough.As a young B is, I guess you've got to be your own judge of.
Hope you be your own judge.Don't loyal other words even though it can hurt you.And also, I think you got to make sure that you have a lot of other people around you, any of those days at only the telephone.But I knew that all those clients that I would go out to that.
They appreciate what I did.Inaudible.So if I had a hot dog from a few flights and I came back to that, it would have probably been a lot more challenging to explore a wow.That's and that's incredible.It's if you want to die.
Well, we all we hear stories.You've been an eye about that's going out and having struggles with clients as well.And but the the fact that what was the thing that enabled you to continue being a vet in that environment, right?Wasn't supportive.If at all, if anything kid was not what I didn't say derogatory, but there's was destructive, or yeah.
The only thing that kept you, there was not the only thing.But, like, what you just said, was, there's the fact that your clients kept you there, which is really thought about it that way, I guess, I learned from an early age that to respect and and I guess if point for their do but I don't Don't denigrate point because I don't joke about them and talk about this.
Obviously there are good ones and bad ones do.But I found they above my rocks and support in their practice.Wow, Golden Rule human and I had this common thing that comes back where we talk about how we've gone through our careers in the early stages, very challenging and exciting.
Because of the fact, you know, we had to learn things and level up and then we've got to like the challenge left and then you sort of lose a bit of In the middle of it.And then later on you come back and the thing, one of the things that actually you come back for it is is the people you work with and and and the clients and India and the interactions you have in the wind if you have together and and that kind of kind of connection that that develops over time.
And it sounds like as if that was like, you were at the start as opposed to sort of you know what we realize a bit later on in the in the time frame.What do you think youbut?Well, it's question.I would ask About that, dude.It was that because you clearly had had an ability right at the start of your career, to, to make that connection with clients, where they unique clients, or was that a unique, Charlie trait, like, did you in subsequent jobs after that?
Did you ever find yourself having difficulties with clients, where they became the problem versus the joy and the job or have you always had that innate ability to just connect with people?Why would I think that, I think I've always, I have always enjoyed interacting with five, I don't know that I've got any leads, I assure you that.
But I think that, for example, my first got there, those Dairy Farmers in Southwest Victoria, they do a tough, they work hard.They but I don't think they're super demanding, maybe falls off the cuff, be Point study by a that really different kettle of fish.
First up though.Yeah, I think it's probably better if I certainly enjoy relating but by and map.Yeah, I think as as developer same as if we go through certain stages at, I was still trying to really working on getting my carvings doubt pad and my technical skills doubt that I was just like I had 40 points and as dot got more, I guess I'm not going to say, - what do you think illogically?
Why?But as I've got a little bit more comfortable with the, with my work I expect, they do focus on on related to the pipe crashing addressing their needs.I certainly do enjoy that aspect.Maybe, what am I?Just thought, then is you perspective from the start, was that, you know, clients, love clients and and, you know, together work together.
And, you know, they were as support, right?So inherently you maybe came from the perspective of the filter you had.When you had a client come through was a, this is an awesome time too.Great opportunity.And, and, and work together and collaborate, where potentially, if you because one thing I need concerned about is on social media, there's heaps of things on social media or about, you know, client said, it can only happen yesterday, but clearly it's been there for three weeks and things.
Like, there's a lot of smack talk around clients and I don't believe it actually helps us in anyway because we inherently then start taking on this filter, which is His client as again, us against them versus a.We actually actually trying to achieve the same goals.
Absolutely.Couldn't agree, more.In fact, yeah, I see those comments to at the time.There was no social media but I see that coming soon.Yeah, I can understand what people are saying.Yes, yes.It clear that, that the glue is a lot older than that.
I'll pull you out.Is a lot older.You can see it is super bug.This is growing in.It didn't happen yesterday, is it?Is there anything?To be gained by that.I mean, we all know that will.I think celebrating or making it making a point of that is why this is not helpful at all.
Just be gone about the client.I would be talking to my boss in that practice.And a client would come in odaiba the gothic room with the biggest smile because I was getting away from him.Wow.
Yeah, I that's one of my vast majority.Sort of my big bag ways these days is some is II feel as a lack of empathy towards the clients where we've, it's, you know, yes, that thing might be might have been there for longer than the client says, but hey, it might be that they really didn't notice.
It, they don't know what, you know, they they don't have your experience or your knowledge.So be they have probably been scared of coming in to see you because they worry about what it is.There's a lot of factors there.So when they say that, it's not because they try to be an asshole, it's probably good reason to good reason behind.
So I know I'd and as you say in the end, you actually only harming yourself there by many ways.Well I'd like just what I'll just say one thing they're here it is.Your only get the thing is you are only harming yourself in your harming, your ability to then address the patient's issue, you know, if you can't connect because you've got this filter which stops you from Connecting with the client because I don't respect them.
Yeah.Would then getting how then are you going to talk and way you communicate in a way where you then gain the clients trust and also it drains you and more you judge the more you judge the more you walk out the back and go oh my god did I imagine this?
Like that's all energy.That's just wasting away that you could be giving away towards treating the pain building connections.Are you turning your getting knotted up?It should be not anymore Kappa back and your your kids.
Where is Happy?Just Let It Roll at the start talking and letting things flow.You walk out back with a smile, on your face.That mean, who we are me, where we've also got their family, a bad, maybe they were supposed to be looking after their voice and their be troubled, so they're gonna be looking to throw himself on the part though.
Wasn't like, I got to push my head was really putting a rabbit with the white with his wife.At this be children and they say the rabbit hasn't been that way, obviously.And I've let me have a look at it.So I go there and he was stiff as a board.
Do you realize it possibly?He's like a father already passed quite as he.You hear it anyway.Well, you could have tried.
Treating them Charlie.I want it.I'm going to take a slight lift area.I've been, I've been that told you earlier today.I've been stalking.You re Google do here and that finding some interesting thing.Well, I'll start with them when I chat it to you.Last week, you send me a Photo of your family in Beirut it so you've just been in Beirut.
Yeah, why?Yes.Good question.
And my family there and a few years ago, it's my two eldest children.And time I had my youngest brother was about 12 or 13.Wee, bit a lot of badly at that first visited, and I felt like, I owed it to my youngest daughter to return their, let her beat the ball because that other to be came back and said, you know, to lovely place a little bit crazy.
So so I went back this time I am and it just deeply enough.It seems like the war they've warring factions.Have pretty much been to settle down there every country was hitting on the up the appointment was OK.
Sub Crews will be back, but in the last six months you may have read about all these protists, eBay route, these are.So what happen is, if been terrible economic downturn, and I think a lot of that, I'm not sure how helpful this is, but I think a lot of the people For politicians and enter, there's a lot of anger directed at politicians and so it's pretty serious Proteus.
They burn tires.They throw rocks in my of my relatives, be of the Bed, full employment, the one with full of woman, Apple was the employment.They go to the bank at Wingate money that in there count and has been a March that is nobody is $200 a month America.
Liable for each person and that wait for our.So uh it was it was really good to meet my family.Good to go to certain areas but I felt like I was almost invading people that were really doing it tough but it really feel accomplished those in the thief.
I felt I felt who are we going to come?We're going to see all these people's troubles and then we just have packaged very happy to be here.But certainly it was valuable and Dubai.I took my youngest is a very valuable and heartwarming experience, I just hope it's not all fire, I felt, I felt.
Yeah it's some specially it's a question.Again, coming from a, from a list stable country, then then where we currently live is, is their value in exposing?Your kids?Yeah.Because it's because it's good to know that the whole world isn't just, right.
Yeah.There is actually an arrow rest of the world out there.We things are are a bit more complicated at times because I want to ask you about the about your family, if you don't mind.It's your again.This is Google.So is this Viewpoint as question is, what was your dad's name?
Be definitely be.Yes, that's what I was hoping you'd say.I found it, I found it a little story that this is not really vet related, but I just think it's an incredible, incredible story.I've had a story about about him when he was a he was a seven-year-old and and then story involving a donkey can yeah is that does that ring a bell?
It's a proton.The donkey any printed this polish p in East l.a. beautiful.Iman is quite beautiful way before.There's a beach and swimming and you can see snow covered mountains are the one like it's a phenomenal tourist destination.So there's this beautiful spectacular valid legal, the khadisha valley and their necks.
He went on his donkey with his parents to this Hamish be because he couldn't walk properly and And he supposedly was human.So I said to my girls Let's go and spend a couple days in the valley are, we'll just see if we can get a little help on this one has to be as well.
Anyway, my my doesn't look.So I've picked up at the airport and brothers about save.Now, you know why I did it.Have you take that?I had another friend, he's just mozzie bite and I'll leave it.Equaled Victory nutritionist and he said by the great Diamond but Basically, it's really cool that he meant from but I wasn't allowed to go today.
We did get out of it.So there's a very long and historic link to to you and your family and egg whites.It, it was I'm gonna keep digging Charlie and as people who know you what I should said to Charlie about and somebody said ask him about his childhood.
Yeah, that's that's well, that's a good question.They must know something.I don't know.I think so too.I've got no idea why they said that, what they said, ask him ask him to tell us about his childhood, and I suppose we should bring it back to Raintree science, how your childhood journeyed on to getting you into into being interested in being of it.
Yeah.So I had a bit of a different upbringing and maybe that relates to your topic about my connection before into people you and I'm not sure how deep to go in it, but I'll say this, I Typical childhood that.Unfortunately, my mother passed away when I was very young and so I, my dad was able to support these our brief.
I had two siblings at the time and we, we were like, you know, a little while and then my dad remarried and came back home.I guess speaking about my childhood in terms of what role and was played, I guess I felt like I Was be, I guess I was all that, it hurted, I took a lot of company in the company of animals is equal.
I live in the city of a block, you know, normal groups, the normal lock, absolutely larger than normal.And I stepped a little goat that I love.I said it till the whole thing that I type of spring, good to those shelves of could get away and basically go fishing a lot.
So, I probably sought solace in animals from Lily a butt.Think of it.In fact, if I mentioned it to my said, my father's Lebanese obviously, had at all of his family and they thought I was a pretty bright student.
What do you want to be when you grow up as I don't know, maybe an architect.I'm not sure.They said, we could be a doctor and I don't know.I'm not sure what I believe.I'm really comfortable with people surfing and they said, well, you got all these animals.Have you ever thought about being a vet?
I said yeah, yeah, like to be a bit, I think.Think I'd like to be a pepper that really thought about it and he said, well, when I started getting a little bit serious, it was only wanted to be an architect up to about those.That would have been a disaster but a bit absolutely because I felt like they might It tickets on the south and I didn't think I'd get rid of it besides anyway, but I eventually got in and these same people that, you know, you said, say, did you want to be a doctor?
I still got wanted to be a doctor after I got the victimized because, and even more.So, because they said, you know, what, the name for a vet in in Arabic is if a doctor they say it's you're an animal hockey, maitre d.And if the doctor makes a mistake, take on a person now, say, ah, they must be activated.
So, that was the cat was of happens.My favorite memory here, I didn't have a whole lot of integration will be a bit.In fact, I had a lot of these discretion not to be a bit, so it was the derogatory term for a bit It's a, I have long gone, but how is it as a hacky bakery that laughs?
Wow.A lot of things are going to be like driven from myself from with it, not from around me.When I went through high school, I didn't do very well at high school and I didn't get any good enough grades actually to get anywhere near into bed and then proceeded, like, two years of three years of trying to get in and I got in at benchley and Actually, my own family was actually quite surprised.
I got him and my older brother who now says that, you know, he's very proud of me were but back then he was like, you know, that it's pretty hard to get in and and there's a lot of continuing professional development and you sure you want to try to get there and then and I was like, actively.
I was like you know like I think I'm pretty okay with that.You know I started to second-guess my decision and then I think of the end they just did they just viewed me.The person I was when I was in high school which was you know I didn't apply myself and rode my bicycle around a lot and got really a quite fit back then so forth and they tried to apply that vision of who I was to me being that getting in.
They just they actively thought that I wouldn't make it keep this isn't, there's nothing wrong.I guess you can't blame her for that game because that's what they said or they don't know what they don't know what's going on inside you, but that's what they saw.Yeah.Yeah, I might've us but it was more like Charlie I I did.
Well, it's cool.I was quite an academic.And, and when I said sort of to work towards late high school, I think I'm thinking of being vet.I had quite a lot of, especially parents of friends going.Why do you want to waste your talent on to anyone and you do have like a proper job?
It's interesting.How people other people's just a little comment like that could change your perceptions and I do sometimes wonder if that actually tainted my My own perception of my job, even as a veterinarian going, well, is there really any value in what I'm doing?
Because you'd remember this friend's mom saying, you know, why don't you become a real doctor?Little little little comments like that.That I think that actually bugged me for a while to get to it.Yeah, that's it.Because it sticks with you to go, all is what I'm doing, really valuable, it took me a long time to find proper value in it again.
So what what, what one might suppose to me is that the sitting around telling about my dad.And if some of these older friends would be there today.So why do you want to be a bit?You could be, you could be something really valuable to your community of be a bother.
You could really really up your billion that it hurt me at 50, but I thought.Well, I'm just going to be a really good rid of available to buy Community as a bit, you know, Charlie.But this is fascinating to you.You obviously didn't have an easy start.
Like you said, needn't have a silver spoon and yet, When you meet Charlie and anybody who knows?You just talked about how positive and energetic and just was a real Lust For Life.You seem to have and where does that come from?
How from from a, probably fairly tough background?How did you it was there, something that triggered that or there?Why?How how do you do it?Yeah I have to say I haven't spoken about my mother who passed away but I saw a recent photo of her so in the 50s.
They were for women group together for a photo and I've never been this photo performed and his woman with black hair and a big smile was sitting on the ground and she had both of their arms out out of all the others were status standing up but one was the only doubt the others down ago and she had her arms out.
No big smile and I think a bit of it is genetic human hair, beautiful, isn't it?And I think because I'm not sure why I certainly enjoy getting the best out of myself.
Maybe I, maybe it's the Pacific ability, only good fish there, myself on to get the best out of life.And I want to get there at the person that I'm interacting with.I live in a small town and I go past a lot of people, I know, and there's a bull.Hello.
Some people have to be the beer Hyder Ali iCarly, hi Joey.And so I like to get a smile from a stranger.I think it's miles from friend.That but I say don't need to step out.This is a person was the books, papers the jelly.I think I might get phased out of myself and out of others, especially if you're enthusiastic and love what you do, you know, that that passion and that energy then, in Parts on, on the people.
You teach?Yeah, totally.I could see Charlie the impact you could have in such a positive impact.Well, that's exactly, that's exactly right.So I think It's up to you my head.
My goal is to make it Global liven, it up, and there's a couple of feedings Chuckles Dixon idea, where people have said that Ali, I really appreciate you inviting yourself.A community college to do know how Charlie you got into the charity work at in Indonesia.
I think I could stop by and have.I bet you they have made a connection with you.But was I was that a Navy a bakery conference didn't bring the my new who support a lot of my work.Did you should give it to talk about about what they do in Indonesia.
But though I said and and to be honest, my initial reaction was I don't really like and they sound like false modesty.It's not even false.The it is firefight making a big deal of it because I do it because because I feel but made a mistake.
Once I said do a colleague they said, you have you been in Indonesia taleo.That's really good.Work you do.And I said, well actually I don't know that it is.I said, because I said I've got to say I feel like we've got to give as a gift.
Country.That's probably suppose we've got to get.We've been given this education that pretty much you know we we were given the education that we didn't we didn't have to clean have to really do that.
Much people.We worked hard, but it was a huge physical challenge to get that we live in this great country and we were given, we've been given the opportunity to do give to visual education.Bug me with It and we're able to do really good things in the community to fight.
What are parents thought really good?These are the community room if we're able to make a difference and I initially used to go up to the Northern Territory and work with a dinner.I was talked into it by colleagues who I think I'm a bad bad humanitarians and I are I was talked into going there because I couldn't think of a good reason why not?
And the same in Gillian Highland I was talking to go.They because, you know, good with a spray.It off the coast of the river, Dee invited me several times.And I tiptoed several times and eventually agreed and I failed, I just found that I was able to share something.
I had that really was no skin off my nose, but it made a different to do.A lot of people certainly it helps the animals but I fear boy.Yet we should be going back to this theme.And in this case, it, I feel like I am able to give their to deal in difficult but vacations, a little bit of Hope and a bit of bought in the on the weekend.
I had a long what that conversation with one of these Indonesia back to bombard, looking at a file with diarrhea and Bloated abdomen and on the Saturday night, she's what's that to me now?Now, clearly, this is because Like a Rolling Stone.
If you have a lot of awesome and describe.It is his alter ego Charlie.He's a vegan Indonesia, which is so different from my life here, but I don't want to do here.Allows other people to also be charitable and get involved.And even the nurses that work in the vegetables are all supplier I will pass today.
Now, we're going to go to Indonesia.We've got to ask for you, you know, I haven't even touched a girl.Hello.I drove in no way would be.I think I was some wonderful charity work.I just, but I just mumbled into it and it's just get going and going and going.
And now I can't go to Indonesia, but they are visiting barley.University is going to a cable government Spaceman, going to bomb, like uni, and we're going to go over.I Gili Islands.I feel like I just feel like I've got a lot of mites and I can help.
I could put a lot of people.Yeah, now, that's awesome.Only that's about the best.I like what?I like what you say about that, that you have this gift that we we have it is we do forget as veterinarians white, mmm.
One of the main store of knowledge and experience you have compared to pretty much the entire rest of the world.And and, and it's it's important not to be selfish with it to to say, well if we're, if I can help somebody with it, he'll help somebody.What I do love Of from, from my very early dabbling in in the same field, is once you start in that field and people know that that you're involved in it, it's lovely to see how many people want to help, it's just the practicalities of helping in some of these places can be quite hard.
So soon as you open that door as soon as you just start opening the door a little crack, just say, well there's a way for us to help I have the know-how then there's a tide of people.And you went to flow through that crack and get the work done, which is the, which is that's what what inspires me to keep working at it to go.
Well if I if I if you make a few contacts and help few people then then there are a lot of people in Veterinary and specifically.I keep saying one of the things I love most about doing the podcast, this just to connect with our with a profession and just see how much incredible talent and passion there is at the it's it's really inspiring to meet everybody.
Yeah, to say to all these people that want to help, and I feel the only thing stopping you from helping is Big Ed.
It's really as we discussed before it.Easy working in Indonesia but my goal is to be able to all get over and do work work over there.Because I feel like, you know, this is a win-win-win here that they that the people volunteering will benefit immensely, the people that it will benefit and their animals benefit in and all benefit because I was made a new friend.
It's still.Yeah, it's challenging for me.Some people say I should get a Receptionist or something like that.Others easy as that, but hopefully, you will be able to help me a little bit with that as well.Have Tiffany Tiffany of trying I Sydney will do my face, he's even practicing blow dart in his kids.
Yeah.Yeah.I've got a lot to learn on that front when I was when I was working with Charlie on that trip I already had because the trip I did before I got a bit of a, hang of the I thought I did of blow dazzling.
So let's backtrack why you have to blow that Indonesia, is they, the dogs are very wild.You can't get, you can't get near them to inject anything anyway.So, I went out of the bike with one of the volunteers to go.There had this dog that was semi theme that they were going to go down that I got already and I'm feeling the feeling a little bit proud of myself.
I'm that, you know, a little bit of the man and got my position and blowed out of this dog, beautifully, good shot.Except I didn't take the cap off this series, not to be seen again with it.
So where are we Charlie?You were talking about sort of being competitive and really making the most out of life and most of your career and things like that she would share before that you you exercise a lot.Now it's is exercised a big thing for you and Define that it's a critical thing for event.
Like for a professional to have an integrated part of their life.Absolutely Dorado.I suppose some people might think that I'm a little bit obsessive.I don't really have a particular regimen.
I don't get up and go the deeply like that.I just am not comfortable.If I don't do a little bit of quiet crying, have a little swim or a rather wet one of those but I must admit.I live near the beach.So every morning of I can which is probably better than 62 or need, I will ride my bike.
This in a Victorian with.All right my bike down and I'll have to spin and I just figured you're at the beach is dumping a and I do it so acceptable to people in I guess of only I'll be bit on my mindset or might it is I like sweetie I get refreshed.
Some people have a shower and going to clean the teeth.I I like to Splash bout role of booze with the Run backwards fall in the water and I do this though, the school routines, I provide a debate.It is a trainee at was pouring riders for you.
Is it paining it as a parable?It does.But I got wet but I'm not gonna drive.I got him.It was quite refreshing.I think stopping me going in there.It's not gonna kill me.
It's probably going to live in the Upper Valley bit.Open.This fucking me is befitting, its hole.So on Strike it as the equation.I just got to beat again without thinking, so and then is I do a running and and I feel I've never really better tired, but when I run that like I usually don't take a phone.
That's a bit of a double-edged think.I don't have a phone because I do love music a lot, but whatever, fine because I don't believe I'll bring while hard running it.So I don't have any music and I just think I just think a lot and I I feel like my running is meditative.
I don't worry too much about intervals.I just run in and I try and get that little bit of space to myself it most days.And yeah I like the feel fit sometimes I get a simple bare back at some point in greed and I keep telling myself how early it doesn't matter.
But it does to me is how I feel.I feel like I'm in control.I feel like I I'm I'm more comfortable with myself.Ali it with a feeling of babe and hopefully fast as well.I don't agree with you saying.And for me, Fitness has in exercise plays a massive role in my ability to handle stress and I really do put it in at the time of the day, where I feel like the lull, it's like sighs mostly in the afternoons because I get to the point and was a lull and like I it's a combination of feeling like as if you just prepared like physically because a lot of I find a lot of our performance and our productivity is is totally connected to how we feel.
And how do we, you know, how for me, how can I want to be a high performer and and highly productive at nearing if I don't feel like as if I could be that.So I try to marry how I feel in my health and my body with what I want in my head as well.
So I don't know if that's the same for you.It is absolutely.Effect.I don't feel it's black.So I did the same to you today.One of the other bedside work with Charlie, do you want to go for a run?Don't really want to.I did really want to go for Malibu beautifully but I did lunchtime and I guess feel it changes.
You have to do, some people think of Darla is going off around, lunchtime it out.It's a bit different but you go back and you feel like you're a different person.You that much for I think productive and a little bit more comfortable in your own skin.If you have no idea, Anything all day.
If I have nothing all day, I just start to feel Brave and added a positive.And it took me that when I heard a story of another friend of mine, he took bread and they should go ask that how's it going?Or is he still doing his Prospect running?It was a bit of sexy but but is very fit and the ad was guy, he's only worked really long but festival and he's but he's young child and a city's be doing anything and she said he said no and I became worried about that.
This paper will help to have you always been exercised, Focus challenge.I thinks it's always a kids.It's always a teenager.I just again, I used to go out for runs about the park.I wasn't very fast.
Good as a higher School dude, I just used a bundle but I neighbor Around the Horn of it used to run.I think I was a bit of an escape artist.I just used to like doing things off by myself.I wasn't that sociable.I was a bit of it.Yeah, I was a bit shy.I didn't need to go out there and I found money to be just, I felt comfortable running and then add it up it.
When I went to UNI, I started getting a bit faster.So I started becoming a bit competitive, my height eyes became competitive, so I would run, and I would do quite well in fund roads and things like that.So then became a bit more of my life for them and to the extent was I'd be working in the working as Veg working really hard.
And then I'll just before my mom finds out, we'll just go for around lunchtime and dumped in the lake or something after mobile phones.I just switched ignore the fight.What do you think that?And I'll just run off and do these 30 minutes of absolute flat out.Finding a bush somewhere and come back.
And I got extremely fit by doing that.And I found that my mom made to look.Like you said, I was that much more, that much more resilient to stress and I was able to just yeah.Bring NG it on after I've been for rug Bring it on, I felt happy very comfortable in my own skin and I still do when I still feel like that.
Yeah.I'm not a, I'm not actually naturally energetic.I'm actually quite quite a lazy, quite a lazy kid.I'm still quite lazy and the only reason I ran into exercises is because I know how much better I'm going to feel.I never feel like I'd ever feel.
Like, I really, I'm dying to go for a round but I know if I don't, I'm going to pay the price later later in the Well, the next day.Yeah, good people.Still expect you, but that's, that's me too.And I really ever feel like I try, I really like a rounded.
I just feel like I'm going to wrap it.Like my screen, reader.Humble guy for explain because I know I think that now, I feel better when I do it.Hmm.Yeah, I do have a few bugs in Wild countries so loud bark.
When I go for Broadband at kuta lombok Beach, I didn't lie, get chased by By Greek gods, there's so much fun.It's a I have to walk walk or training to my roots and it once I went for a run, I did a bit of it working on goalie or bunch.
And I went, this is beautiful, beautiful Rolling Hills.I went to this one is running along and they have these fairly the guard dogs.They're like they look like these Anatolian buddy.I don't know what they are there.
Some serious thought?And I went for running three balls are running right?Happy please.So anyway, I kind of I think I was funny towards their patch so I just quickly backwards Yeah, I agree with you.
They based best way to explore new town or anyway.Traveling is on the Run.Yeah, I got for Randall.I've had the same Bali for my weight running and running in Bali and street thugs, it's weird, they don't mind you driving along on your scooter.They don't mind you walking past the when you look at you but I think there is dogs that aren't used to seeing people around because they see rather than go this.
What have you stolen?I should catch.I should tell everything about it because I've had a few standoff.They was Doug's where they would really not happy about it.But I've got another great question career question that I should have popped it away at the beginning and we had we started this conversation ages ago and I never actually quite heard your answer.
So you had a long career in mixed practice or a large animal practice and then got quite quite Into Horses.You what I care about I would classify you as a host of it, and then in a university said, so the natural progression and that journey is very He often to look at specialization, did you ever consider specializing and and if so why did you choose not to go that route?
That's a really good question and I don't know, I still to this day that I better.I made the right decision but I'm very happy to share the story.So yeah I was working, he practice and probably a great writer in 1984 and this would have been late nineties.
So I've been practiced a leaf.State years and I really like practice, but I felt I started going to a few conferences that I, I put these, they didn't have power point of those days.You take a few photos of, put them on a slide projector and put it up there.
So I started giving a few presentations of my cases and I found, I really like the science.Oh, I'd love being a clinician, but I'll stay and get a little bit JB.I felt like I was jaded.I felt like I was Losing a bit of enthusiasm, or, or political work.
Particularly after-hours work.And I was looking, I was certainly excited by the more active side of the she's academic areas.So the opportunity came for me to work at the University as woke up and I went there and I found, I really enjoyed the fact that you could go and see a horse that garlic at, you could bring it in and you could do what I do.
But you could watch operation and in the end I was helping big operation.It was pretty much.I felt like I was being born more than people and I was really stimulated and look absolutely loved it.And so I thought I predict my membership quite a few years before, Big Ideas, I did my bed, she and I became an example in that Anna and so I felt like, yeah, I should I should start to specialize in, I did go down that route II, Looked it would and there was a bit more potential Mentor that I had.
And I kind of just took the last of all, of all of my VIP is that I set my membership to be that gone on to American universities.Or they go over become fellows at the Australian College people that annoy.
I thought about it if the mid tools that I had to Cottle huge, do this all the immediate or probably I would have I was going to have to twist a few people's out, which was fine because that will call pretty good friends and I thought, hmm, that didn't happen either side be the do you want to really be a specialist down this narrow narrow path for you looking after the quide Wyatt's in a fish was University, or would you rather be more of a community there and help with?
You know, I'll stay cool little bit of work with dogs in remote communities and declared.I felt that was just and I would still do a lot of work about the tower where I live in it, just as the helping people with animals, and I felt like it was value in knowing a lot about a lot of different animals in, not just killed the cat, but chickens, because the chickens are important in in all the communities, typically, overseas exhales, so valuable and cheap.
And I thought about, I thought, I think I want to keep my skills and hopefully some work up north, and little bit of communication with these people.I started to get that working more of a community that helping out, and that, that pretty much baby Thinkin.
Maybe, I don't want to be a specialist.If I wanna keep my, I probably could have both.I don't know.I paid back of that bike that I made this decision.Not that narrow down.This would go there this fall A narrow path and become really good at one thing that while they a generalist as in helping all speech.
I think I made the dish that dictator with me but I still feel like blue bit like I maybe missed an opportunity or I might've taken an easy exit.Yeah.Bounced around the idea of doing a specialty for like the last five years.And I always came back to where could I had my biggest impact?
And, and it was either Hospital director role and, and the cysteine and developing a, yes and the hospitals that we had in the teams or investing three years or so in fellowship.
And and yeah, I was actually concerned that I wouldn't pass like that was one of my biggest fears was that actually?I would do all that and actually not pass.But then, I could get came back down to be if I live in needed that where could have my biggest impact and, and it came to supporting teams building teams and, and continuing to train them to then be able to be more highly professional and better trained veterinarian.
So and I still dance with the idea of doing it as well.But I'm I think I what do you said resonates with me in a way Charlie, is that You know, like where could you have you back in and how could you?Yeah I suppose reach a large number of people but they did a fellowship in their own way.
They are training about helping I use a different city train young people coming up the veterinarian.So there is certainly able to have as far as we know we haven't considered that the impact that Specialists have with regards to research and how it contributes to, you know, the the development and continuing In growth of it of our profession.
But yeah, as what I thought about it was like what would I do when I come back from being a specialist, in what I sit and I see you as an emergency and critical care specialist probably not like I will still be then the hospital director and then training vets and so forth.So they did he came down to actually you know, I focus on trying to be a better leader and focused on, trying to be a better trainer.
So I liked what we had a guest.One of the early episodes Professor Joel medicine from from Australia, but who's in the UK G is a specialist that a small animal medicine very well regarded.
And we asked her the same look by the question of why specialized and I liked what she said is it was sort of laid me off the hook of, but I felt for, for not ever ever going down the Drew cheat and she just hit you, you really have to want to do it.
They should be no doubt of shoot.What I specialize or shouldn't I should be a.This is what I need to do because I want to know as much as I can about this field.I'm an academic I want to do research.She says it because it's that hard that there's that much of a commitment that unless you really want to do it, you probably shouldn't do it the way it's which I can I like that.
Expect.I couldn't agree more.
Right.However, time we should probably start wrapping up Charlie.Have you got anything that you feel strongly about that you want to share with us?I think we've we've covered the positive mental attitude.Keeping fit is the music, right?
I'm gonna have it updated travel appeared.I will have a question to wrap it all up.There's a quiz.Becoming they were each other.It is anything from you.Mate.Come now, I'm good.I'm good now.Charlie, like everything you've been sharing Today is amazing.Thank you so much.Johnny Depp couple of couple of questions.
We gently wrap up with, are you a podcast podcast listener?Okay, cool.Okay.Book thing, have you got any books that have been very impactful on in your life that that we need to read?
Yeah look I think I just absolutely Never go past the Kill a Mockingbird.I thought that that story is this a wonderful story about a very capable humble.Gentle man, though.
The kill a mockingbird look like red.Top of those self-help books.I've read.Yeah.Was it a habit 7 Habits of Highly Effective People?And I think I like it, I'm done.Positive messages, are those books, but I think there were other books ago, I really like, I like, what a book, all the shipping news.
I probably should prepare yourself for this here to apologize.The follow-up to To Kill a Mockingbird.
I tried to I started I just didn't know same author and Atticus.Finch becomes a bit of a racist is not.So I think the advice is if you're a fan of To Kill a Mockingbird is don't read the next one.
Stick stick to their fists and then our last question, Charlie, which is quite a About to you with all the students, you work with the arena, you're in an auditorium and you have the tire world's veteran in new graduates in front of you.And you have a couple of minutes to give the 11 message, what's your message to them?
Yeah.Enjoy Embrace.What you do is you look forward to going into the console room look forward to hearing people's stories listing engaging with them.It's hot all about the years that you're there to see their animal but I'm going to work out.
They should we engage with them and they looked it in the eye.Listen to their story and take it all in and be as father pepper and Typical as you like.But remember that there's an interface there that you're not going to get past.Go unless you really enjoy over there Cory.
Hmm.Yeah, love it.And I love it.That's my drum.That I be.Alright.Thank you so much Charlie for joining us.I knew it was going to be fun.I think people are gonna love listening to this.You have a lot of fans out there who I think will jump straight on to this podcast.
Thank you Kelly.

Dr. Charlie El-Hage