April 4, 2019

#2: Motivation, making a good start, and having fun. Dr Louisa Graham, aka louisa_the_vet

#2: Motivation, making a good start, and having fun. Dr Louisa Graham, aka louisa_the_vet
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In today’s episode we chat to a vet who in her relatively short career has managed to encourage and inspire tens of thousands of vets through her popular veterinary instagram account, louisa_the_vet. After our interview I can count myself as one of the many people who have benefited from her infectious enthusiasm.

Dr Louisa Graham is a UK based small animal veterinarian. Because of a childhood that she describes as “surrounded by animals” she always knew that she could only ever be a vet. Since qualifying she has worked in small animal practices across the UK as both practitioner and in managerial and mentoring rolls. She has continued her education while working, gaining a certificate in advanced veterinary practice in small animal medicine after a few years in practice, and at the time of recording she was just about to make a move to a new practice York where she’ll continue her veterinary journey.

We cover a lot of ground in our conversation with Louisa, discussing topics like how she stays motivated, the struggles she faced during her early career, why a good support network is so important and what that network looks like, especially in your first job. And on the topic of first jobs - we talk about finding that right first job and what your future employers care and don’t care about.

Louisa gives advice about managing your expectations, becoming a ‘mini-specialist’, avoiding what she calls ‘the comparison trap’, maintaining perspective and most importantly about having fun.

Please enjoy this conversation with the effervescent and all round lovely Dr Louisa Graham, and when you get to the end - keep listening for our surprise bonus section.

Good evening.Ladies and gentlemen, this is Gerardo Poli.And this sorry one of the best bits of advice I've ever received was to find good mentors and to learn from them trusted people who have already done what you're trying to do now.
I've been fortunate throughout.Korea to have some fantastic mentors to help guide me, but I realize that they'd be hard to find and also hard to commit the time to 1.This is why we've gathered some of the best Minds from the Brittany world and squeeze them for their wisdom so that you don't have to learn the hard way with the help of our guests.
We flipped the veterinary profession on its back and explore its soft underbelly to find the tips tools and inspiration that you'll need to build the career that you've always wanted.I'm Gerardo Poli.I'm Hubert him strap and this is the vent valve.In today's episode we chat to a vet who in her relatively short career has managed to encourage and Inspire tens of thousands of vets and wannabe weights through a popular Victory Instagram account Louisa underscore the underscore wait and after our interview I can count myself as one of the many people have benefited from her infectious enthusiasm.
Dr. Lewis Graham is a uk-based small animal veterinarian because of a childhood that she describes as surrounded by animals.She always knew that she could only ever be a vet since qualifying.She has worked in small animal practices across the UK as both practitioner and in managerial and Mentor roles.
She has continued her education while working gaining certificate in advanced very medicine in small animal medicine after a few years in practice.We cover a lot of ground in our Station with Louisa discussing topics like how she stays motivated the struggles she faced during her early career why a good support network is so important and what the network looks like especially in your first job and on the topic of first jobs, we talked about finding that right first job and what your future employers care and don't care about Louisa gives us advice about managing your expectations becoming a mini specialist avoiding what she calls the comparison trap maintaining perspective and most importantly having fun.
I think that's enough from us.Please enjoy this conversation with the effervescent and all-around lovely doctor Louisa Graham.And when you get to the end keep listening for our surprise bonus section.Hi Louisa.
Hi everybody Donal Asia.Oh and also here bit easier here is for those who don't know Louise up.She is an Instagram famous bet with thirteen and a half thousand followers. and one of the things that actually drew me to following Louise are on Instagram was the fact that her cases if you follow me on Instagram, you you probably whip like posting clinical cases which provide tips and hints and tips and sort of inside on how to tackle those difficult things and Louise's Instagram is full of those insightful cases, which can add perspective and help you get through those things if you see them practice and it was through an Instagram story that actually we connected oh gosh, maybe you almost a year ago now and since then we've had several chats back and forward around cases and it's led to discussions of on other aspects and it was it was through these there's these discussions were I felt that you be an awesome candidate to have a chat to on this podcast as I can see that you've gone through quite a lot through your career and also still have or still is Shit about your Korea and also sharing and sharing that with other people around the world.
So again, thank you for coming on and yeah, did you have anything you want to say?Okay, that's such a lovely introduction.No.Thank you very much.And yeah, I think I mean it's been great.We've obviously connected over Instagram which seemed so far away from how you think you you communicate with people and you know the veterinary world and it's a great we've said cases.
Has and I've absolutely loved putting all my cases on just because I think and I love being able to show, you know, knew that or older vets or whoever just what we see in general practice that it's not all amazing.It's not all sad.
It's not all bad.It's actually really fun if you make it and I just think this whole social networking that we've got now is just completely revolutionized Veterinary profession Veterinary world and how we can communicate with each other.So, I think it's Fab and thank you so much for inviting me.To speak to you though, actually big I'm thrilled as well to have you now.
I'm going to kick off with that with the first first question the so there's about the according to Instagram about 13,000 people out there who know what you look like and they know what you do and your day-to-day life, but they don't know much else about you and I'm pretty sure they'd love to know what makes Louise a tick and much is all about so in our in the preparation for this interview you've alluded To a story that I think could go a long way towards explaining what you're about.
Could you please tell us about a how you wanted to rescue a dog when you're when you're a youngster and a fuck if I can give you a clue as to the story.Let's just say breaking and entering like when I think about this now, so I'm quite like a bolshie sort of person but it did much younger.
But yeah, I think I think we speak to a lot of vet.They normally have some sort of Story that solidifies what they want to be.Also I probably was just copying a bit attitude problem, you know should have had an elbow and yeah, yeah, essentially I mean it was my family's house and I remember being on my computer don't know what I was doing probably on my MSN Messenger or something different and I remember this little poodle black poodle cross that was gagging it was screaming at dragging its legs across the the main road.
So my house Overlook the main road the driver and a new this dog would because it was always running around like an absolute lunatic and we knew the people that owned it and we knew that they just kind of let the dog run around and then it you know, so I knew where it was.Well I ran out to this dog and try to bite me obviously so I took to my coat on it as like yoga and I picked it up and I ran at the time it seemed really far, but I don't know it's coming.
A hundred yards and yeah knocked on the door and went to the owners and said look if I think he dogs been run over or something at the time.I don't know I'm young teenager like it needs to go to the vets now and they're like, yeah fine and just put it on the sofa.
So I kind of walked in the house.I remember there was just like pizza boxes all over the floor and put it on the sofa came home and spoke to my dad my dad grandma and who is like a headteacher at the time of two huge?Sixth form colleges and oftener really well known in the area.
So I came home and I was like Dad I'm really upset.This is what's happened.And he and I can't remember whether we said I could or not.But anyway, I was so upset I ran back to the house and I just run I just walked into the house and this dog was still on the sofa shaking and I just had lunch.
I'm just gonna take the dog.So yeah went in took the dog and and took it back to my dad's house.They're my parents house.He got in the car, we drove to the vets and I already dropped the dog off and it's only when you're older that you realize but I didn't hear anything else about the dog and I never saw the dog again, but I when I phoned the practice she was basically saying that they couldn't give me any information but for the dog, but what she did say was that it had been there.
She thinks it had been shot by an air rifle.So yeah.Yeah, it was really mad and really sad that.That they hadn't taken it to that and I was really angry at the Vets.They're like, why can't you just tell me what happened and why can't I pay for it sort of like my family help and it's now that you realize actually it's not for them to just give out information.
So yeah, and I remember thinking right not having met that's me.I'm going to that school.So do you think there was the decider that was the I would say that's the one thing that I remember it was the final touch.I was brought up with dogs all my life.
So I always I knew that I wanted to work with them.But that was I remember thinking yeah, that's me.I'm going to I'm going to be that person at the other end.That's my parents.My mom loves that story.She absolutely loves it.And it does say a lot doesn't it?It does I think it's right to paint a good picture.
Well good and hidden away that it's for the animals probably knows break into houses.Yeah demonstrates.I suppose, you know, like just really standing for something that you believe in.And also just that's that's bravery and courage there.
Yeah, there's was I was proud of myself for doing it.Although at the time probably thought before I actually should have maybe spoken to someone about it.But yeah, it was it was what I needed to do and the dog got somewhere so that's absolutely and and is it do you think it's that?
Primary desire to do it to do what's best for an animal that still keeps you guy said is that what motivates you yeah, and I think we get a lot of them died.Probably gets the same get a lot of questions about how to keep motivated like, you know, and it's not all about what go to Jail - it's actually like Joe and I had a discussion with him about a case of the day and it's cases seeing animals and not maybe not.
But you doing as much as you could do for them or seeing them suffering and you think right and no I'm going to get better at that and I'm gonna all right.I'm going to do this and I think seeing the patient seeing the animals on the owners.That's what motivates me to keep going and be better.Yeah actual animals.
Mmm.It's a bit.It's really it's really powerful source of motivation that you did that you just talked about.It's like an internal drive to really overcome challenges and things and just improve yourself and It totally agree with with what with what you said there that and I believe that having that motivation come from a such a Pure Source and from a desire to help is like I think it's critical.
I think that's critical and would you ask those agree that that's critical for a long-term sort of success and how would you say continued Improvement in this?Personal Improvement.Yeah, I think it's if I split it up like it's personal Improvement because I I will know there are places every day where I'll feel I was a bit weaker at that aspect of it and that will make me think right.
Well, I may not have been able to address that as much as I would have done.So I'm going to get better at that area.And that's where we then choose CPD or we'll listen go on courses or will read books about it.And so I think for personal development but also for you know better in for the animals as well.
So I think it works both ways.I think it's really important for my career to keep learning and keep going and this then the animals of the reason I do it and the more sick they get or more injuries or illnesses.I see then that will that will keep me going keep me ticking over because not not one case is the same but the last two days has shown me that not one case is the same regardless of what you think, you know, I think it's also important to To keep that in mind.
Why why are you doing it on those days where you are overstretched and exhausted and completely easy to start thinking why the hell am I doing this to myself and to have that in the back of her head to go?Oh, yeah.That's why it's there is a there's a very good reason that I am putting myself through stuff.
That sounds sometimes can be very challenging.Yeah.Absolutely Louisa you you shared to us also Louisa Shared with us that your first job was in Lancashire.And is that how you say it Lancaster?
Yeah, like a like a like a like a share like I should so yeah.So you shared with us that your first job was in Lancashire and in a small amount of practice, but then kind of it seemed like as if from the impression I got was that it's quite a bit was quite a very first job involving not just, you know general practice work, but after Ours as well.
What was that?Like as a new graduate kind of going into those kind of into that environment?Yeah, so I qualified on Friday and started work on a Monday.Okay.Yep, one of those you need to pay you you did it in your car you need to work now.
It was I'll be honest extremely stressful.I was lucky in my Six months.I did have a really lovely and seeing the event that was actually a stand-in for someone but she was really helpful, but I was lucky in terms of my general practice.
I actually felt relatively confident with what I knew and use I was going to see loads of new things every day, but like Consulting wise that wasn't what got me because I spent a lot of time with my University they prepared us for And so they put us in we had clinical rotation.
So we didn't have a hospital where we stayed and in one place.We went to multiple different practices.So we will put in I don't know when you guys are familiar with them but like yeah rspca and the pedia day and the charity so we were put in there and we were made to do consultations and things so that sort of side I enjoyed and I am just enjoying seeing who thinks that the out-of-hours was terrifying.
We had to go back home.We had back up to begin with and at the time when I started the hospital wasn't as busy as what it got.It got silly.We did have a backup that would come in if we need them but that stopped after six months and you can imagine within six months of doing maybe one night in eight.
You still you still an absolute juvenile like and it was really really really stressful and it was more stressful because of the hours if anything it was do all day you do all night for the weekend and I do remember and I remember just crumbling and crying because it was so stressful and having like 70 patients and it got too much and that's as time went on as I got a bit more seen him in the practice.
That's when we started to put Implement changes because I was one of a group of people that stayed and I think the must have been about 10 people that left before I did and we put into practice having like a mentor scheme.So when I was obviously confident being out of hours, I would have come off the rotor.
We would have a new vet that went on and we would be their backup.They would contact us for phone and vice we'd be in there so they weren't left alone.And it was really intimidating.But in hindsight, I think that made me more confident quicker, but that's might be because of my personality.
Whereas I think those that are a bit more vulnerable to You know the Dynamics of being aware the the stresses and the losses and whatever would that would really affect somebody and it did we lost a lot of vets through there.
Just then they'd leave but yeah out of hours.I'll be honest.It was absolute nightmare.Yes.I agree with you I call for ten plus years and that was this I wanted to get out of it resigns because of it.
I just I just never found that found out of they go.Of Baal the fight if I could have it's torture and I don't know whether it's the same with your cells but we now are struggling to find bets that will go to a job that does out-of-hours know whether that was they want the like a bit of an easier role whether it's because they not missing want an easy role.
They want a role that might be less stressful for them.They are looking for health or they've heard Horror Stories We are struggling to find that that will do the night.Right roles and in which kid there are practices in my area huge practices that are stopping doing their own out about so further efforts to keep their vegetable practice them where and there's they're sourcing them to the the big out-of-hours companies where I'm going to be working for ya.
And so, I don't know whether you guys see that as well but less vets are wanting to do out of ours now.Yeah.Yeah, definitely it will with the with within my little sphere of Brisbane.There's been a A big shift in terms of the number of practices that would offer after hours some are trying to shift back to doing later hours like closing at nine o'clock rather than six o'clock.
Yeah, but even then veterinarians are still hesitant with that and not very many people take that on.I do believe that, you know, when you're talking about self-improvement before and desire to improve so you can be a better bet for you.
You for your patience and also for yourself to like that in a sense is a growth mindset there and I think when you were talking about why some people may not want to take on that kind of position take on those challenges.I think it does come down to mindset and seeing things as a challenge where they can improve upon as opposed to something that's overwhelming and not even wanting to step in that direction.
But like I was reading an article about Um, what button what new graduate students want they did Big survey of students in the US and they talked about work-life balance being one not necessarily money, but work-life balance.
Yeah positive team environment that mentorship was a big one.So I'm quite interested to know so like we have a mentorship program and Hospital which is quite extensive and it's taken about five years to develop but it doesn't necessarily have to be the Extensive, but how did you start in terms of I suppose this is a question for four practices or practice owners or even experienced clinicians who have always thought about developing a mentorship program.
What advice would you have for them?If you like given that you were one of the people who started it with in that hospital?Yes.Oh, I think because I'm in the generation where I'm like the the middle type of that you'll get like the newbies the really really established ones that been there 20 years and then the in between e ones so I would say to people that you have to look after you have to look after these bets.
You have to be you don't necessarily have a like I think these Mentor schemes and these internships are great.So we've got a lovely guy the perhaps I'm looking at the moment.He's on one and I think he feels a little bit frustrated sometimes because he feels like he's being held back for equally he's getting this structure where he's learning to walk before he can run which I think is good and the mentor scheme that myself and some of the other vets.
You know, we just loved it.We it wasn't like we were babysitting them.But it meant that they could have somebody to come to just a discuss a case or just a phone for a chat out of hours and just to have somebody there.They're just just to feed them a little bit or just to help them a little bit and but actually to give them the confidence that they can say no, come on.
What do you think about this?What would your differentials and things be but I do think for a practice.I mean, I'm not a practice owner.But if I was one and I was taking on a newly grad, you know, really qualified.I would have to be able to put the time and I'll have staff where we could Mentor them.
Otherwise, I just think Be left alone could be potentially disastrous for some people not only the patients but for the for the Vets because they you know, it only takes one bad bitch pay and we've got I know that she's lovely that and she'll never ever ever she's brilliant operating.
She will never do a bitch they ever again because of something that happened in the first few years of the thing of it and then she didn't have the support to helping didn't support and I think a lot of bets against goes back to you know, The business owner is easy for me to say I love helping people.
But if I was a business owner would I have the time to invest it?I'll spend you know, putting up with somebody all the time.I think take on somebody new you've got to be able to look after them.Otherwise, you shouldn't take um, yeah, I think that's the key there.So so just to sort of summarize reflect back to when you said there so it's not necessarily having this big structure in place where you know, there's a formal Earning program but it's he can even start to something as simple as having one person that person feels safe talking to that.
They know that they can call for advice and and sometimes like perspective.It's perspective on it Casey perspective on you know, their actions or their influence on the outcome.Did I really do this?I gave this drug in this dog died.
You know, what does that mean?And and sometimes it's like hey look that drug is very safe is really unlikely that you would ever do.Resulted in that outcome there, but just perspective to stop that whole cycle of thought.Yep.The other thing you sorry Joel thing you mentioned there is actually asking questions and I think that's really powerful thing that are that are a mentor can do because we often think that mentors have to tell but I think through questioning and ask and through questioning.
What up, what actually happens is you are teaching them how to think yeah.If you teach them how to think then what happens is then they can continue to do it after if you just provide them with answers get some out of a tight spot, but they don't learn so yeah, that's the thing.
So I came from sort of the mentor scheme that didn't it didn't really have a structure.It was just so we do in-house epd would alternate it every month or so, so we get everybody in we talk about a case.So at we'd all find an exciting case that would And we talked through it and and then when we were a mentor you'd basically buddy up with somebody essentially you'd have somebody that could just phone you and I think it's nice because you you are their friend as well.
So you can have a bit of an informal chat about it and they can just have that peace of mind and it was mainly for them being on call as well because it just took that the edge off being feeling alone, but equally these practices that have the actual Internship schemes, I think they're really great.
And I think particularly if you're preparing the student or a vet for going out of hours.For example, I would say well I would like you to have done this many cats pays and that many bits pays and this things like that.I don't know how your internships things work.But that's how the ones I've seen I hear you do this many consoles you get confident with the boosters and then you put you in the urinary infection scared and then you put it in the vomiting and diarrhea and then they put you with the Disney.
So it's kind of easing them in and I think they're great and I think it works both ways.And I guess it depends on the practice and what staff you've got and I don't know finances because if you're an internship program have to pay them for that for a little bit.I'll tell you what.Yeah Al's cost somewhere around about 20 to 25 thousand dollars per person.
Yeah, but we would invest in that we do invest in that because they it in this is their first step.Into out into their profession and their first experience would guide and influence the the impression of this profession future and how long they stay in here how they handle and manage stress how they thinking approach cases.
So I think that's exactly exactly at your first job.I cannot stress enough how important your first job is but you're shaping your future career in how you want and what you think of this profession and that you've hit the nail on the head there.
Absolutely.These are in your in your role as a mentor or even as your for your own first job when they things that that surprised you at how challenging it was and I'm not talking specifically.Clinically.It could be non-clinical things where they think that that you didn't consider as a potential problem that then you really struggled with or really challenge you or do you find that in some of the people you met until that day that they were worried about some things but then there's things I don't worry about that that blindsides them.
I think it depends who you're mentoring.So there are some that don't know.I think the things I struggled with the mentoring were you'd be there's a balance between that being a friend being a mentor and you would naturally I'm quite friendly person you'd familiarize yourself so much with that.
One of the things was quite challenging as they would get used to being at the end of the phone.One and you know, we were there because the clinic got so busy that if they you know, the consorts were busying up and there was it was operations.I'd like oh, can you come in but it was starting to get like what can you come in?
Because we've got two extra consults and unfortunately, you know, one of the biggest aspects of our job is having to prioritize and got something on the table and then something else coming in you've got to be able to figure out in your head what you do and we see so I think the hardest thing was Being there for them, but then trying to get them to back off a little bit.
Yeah without being they'll just without being a bit cool.Really.Otherwise, I'd had I didn't really I enjoyed it.I just think it's I enjoyed it.I got a lot from them.They made me need to learn because I would forget things or they would correct me and but yeah, it's a challenge was that they become used to you being there and at some point we're not going to be there for them all the time.
Yeah, and and and terms of when you are when you are young red or the young weights you deal with other things, they're not specifically mentoring related that that they'd struggle with that you that they didn't expect or that you struggled with when you started as a new wait, well unexpected stresses.
I suppose I didn't realize how tired I was going to be.I mean, it's a very it's okay.Good point as a very good point my first week at work.Yeah, and on one of the days I was having to write fill in an epithet monitoring form and I'm just thinking I don't even know what these words are saying and it's so difficult.
We're going to get like seven o'clock every night.So I think the stress is when I first started were trying to not being able to manage my own expectations.I was trying to do so much and I was irritated at myself for What I felt like I was failing at and I wasn't giving myself enough time.
Yeah, I was knackered I wanted to put myself at I remember staying late to do take a canine up Greyhound and in hindsight.I just think please don't do that go home.And like I think my biggest stresses was I was probably putting it on myself that we wanted to achieve as much as I could achieve as quick as I could achieve and actually probably by doing that I was going backward steps because I wasn't All tired and probably getting bit irritable you wonder if that's a that's a personality trait of people who are most likely to apply for or get into the into the whole veterinary program.
There's the you have a bunch of people are used to achieving and then you put them in a situation where they're not just going to be perfect from the start and drives me absolutely nuts and and you're probably your employer and your colleagues are not expecting half of what you're expecting of yourself.They expect that you're going to struggle and be slow.
It's tough and you know anyone who is that for yourself?I know that when I bought students, I know that they're going to be slow.But yep again when I was there, I guess the stress on The Flipper Unfortunately, they were bad sides of my first job, but it was you were I put myself forward to be one of their busiest clinics and that was me again, but wanted to achieve loads, but then you do get the pressures on you in certain places with certain people and certain This is a very busy to be quick to be fast to do you lentils with Lee and that is really stressful that you are don't thinks their arse.
There are vets that have the new ones and they don't know how they don't know how to be leaders and that was stressful because you're kind of we call it digging out blind.You kind of just have to sink or swim.Yeah wrong thing and I was lucky to begin with and then maybe not as lucky that I didn't have someone there to help me and guide me in that.
It was stressful, you know put yourself or for operations where you didn't have someone to physically what she do it hard.Yeah.Absolutely.That's them.HR ago all I was going to ask you a question there you said managing your own expectations.
That's a that's a tricky one because I've often thought how can we like it's the drive and the high expectations of veterinarians themselves, which pushes him towards getting better wanting to do better and and continued professional development.
There's a heap of continuing professional development that we have to go through right and we will end it and what stage are what point did you get to where you went actually, you know?I am I do have too high expectations of myself.
Mmm, or I'm okay with what I know because I also then I'm aware that it's impossible to know everything.So like the the fear of the unknown is not as bad because you've accepted that you just don't know on can't know everything like a hawk.
What stage did you get to when you were, you know, I got comfortable with that.I would I would genuinely only say this is happened to me recently and I'm just short of six years in like it's not because I only completed my medicine extra read some qualification in April and then I knew that my focus was more on that and when you figure out maybe if you do figure out that you prefer one aspect of that and medicine because there's a bazillion then naturally you you will let the side down a little bit on something else, but I accept that.
And I accepted that probably.I'd probably say mainly in the last six months.But also when I started low coming, I knew that I was good enough to Locum, but I was never going to be someone that could go in and you know do a look at fracture repair on a hip or something like you you accept it.
I think as you get more confidence in your own skills, which comes with time you get confident in thinking.Well, I don't know that but early the find it out or they'll be someone else in this industry or in my practice that is Good at that so I'm going to go and talk to them and I think that data come with I think that's comes with growing up and maturing and speaking of there and just yeah, I think I'd say when I was revising for my certificate.
I remember thinking well, I'm not going to know all of this so I might as well just try and figure out what you know will remember and onions that and I'll let other that please help me if there are things that I'm you know, I feel weak or up and I'm a fan of that.
It's a good question.How do you how do you get that into?How do you how do you instill let concept into into new Grant if you think about it?It's almost like your University and I don't know if I'm actually asking you I'll just just musing on the on the on that point your course and your University creates the impression that they want you to know everything.
So when you get out of uni Hugo said I'm supposed to know everything and then it takes you a while to go to to reach that point where you go I'll you know, I'll never ever Everything and I just need to accept my limitations and and continuously improve.It is a I say to my like the vet students that come in or so that all the newly qualified.
I'll say you'll never know more than what you do now because they're bright full of everything and and you know, I tell them that when the soon as you start within six months, you'll have lost some of the itty-bitty knowledge, but you have so much what more wider knowledge of cases and interpreting things and sometimes the nitty-gritty things actually don't don't always matter unless you really do need to you know, figure out there.
I don't know pharmacokinetics of certain drugs because of X y&z, but my vet school and I don't know how it works.We had we had something called a one competencies that we have to have before Ali fight you have did you guys have to spend I didn't but I've actually seen your your list of researching for this stuff here.
Yes.We had we have a day one competencies and a year one competencies.Although most people will never look at their year ones because they in with in year one and I've got them anyway my dad but when I was doing my finals we and I was on locations.
You just have a list of all the skills that you should have to be your first year in your, you know to start practice and you'd have examined on those in your final year.So I was equipped for day one, but I wasn't equipped for the rest of being a vet.And I don't thought I don't they don't really keeps all of what to expect really do that.
Yeah, which is why we launching this podcast just going back over to something you said about focus and how it relates to your own expectations.I've recently heard of this concept of being a specialist not a generalist.
So when you're saying being specialist not Necessarily referring to actually being a surgical specialists or something, but you should have your particular area of focus rather than actually have just the desire to know everything like I want to read a little bit about Behavior today.
I'm going to read a little bit about this today.What happens is you kind of doubled Abby get overwhelmed because you never know enough of something to feel comfortable with it.So having your particular.The area of focus for the month the month not like the area of focus is going to be endocrine.
I'm going to read about diabetes the management of diabetes and cats and dogs and I'm going to read up on hybrid recorders ISM and Hyper drink orders and thyroid disease because the four main things that happen right and then you walk away with an increased level of Not just knowledge, but also confidence because focus in that one area.
So so you could you go no, no, it's because I totally agree.I'm I've come to the same realization that that's a great Pathway to take is just as to pick something and say I'm going to give it a really good at this and even ask your colleagues to say if you have a send me your skin cases because I'm going to want to be the practice dermatologist and do that and then when you get bored of that whether it's after a month or Six months.
Okay and then set yourself a new Challenger go.Okay.What's next?What's my next specialty as you say that does knowing a lot about one thing actually does breed a lot of confidence that makes you it makes you feel more valued in your practice.It makes you proud of what you can achieve and then yeah, I think it's a great approach.
Yes.I think I agree and I think I've just noticed that more and more people like I get a lot of messages.So I love Med.I love Veterinary I a I am more than happy.I'm come to terms of fact that I'm loved being a general practitioner.
Although I don't do like the orthopedic sighs.I am more of they call me the Pill Popper.So I'm the medicine.I should I treat the treat these things so I have come to terms with being my general practitioner, but my our focus is medicine and I love that I can bring that and I love when you work in a big multidisciplinary team that they can just go and run that passed away or I'll go on one that passed somebody else and It's great.
But it's not it's not my that's my main area, but I will still try and focus on I'm going to do a bit of Neurology today and I'm going to still work up that case but I think absolutely the fact as soon as I got my certificate and people love it people just absolutely love it.And it well anyway, it makes me more employable.
Yeah future as well.So I think it gives you that does give you this confidence that you have achieved something extra, which is nice.Yeah.Corrado I was just gonna you know, just listening like and you're talking about competencies before and I think that's a great thing actually and we've just sort of rolled out that sort of concept without with their own sort of training programs what we like these people to weary like our vets to to be able to achieve and in three months and six months in a year, but I suppose that you mentioned working in a multidisciplinary hospital.
And maybe one of the key things there is and it all comes back to managing expectations and having your particular area of focus and things but would it be the idea that you just you're comfortable what you know, but it's the lack of comparison.
So that you know being being you go through uni and you can't help but ask the student next to you or your friend.What did you get in that result and they go off should I ask that assignment?I got 90% and you're like, holy shit.I work three times as long and I just pass that.
Yeah, and I feel and I hear the comparison with others as opposed to a comparison within yourself, you know, like if you set yourself something.You want to achieve and that's and that's your objective for yourself.
And the market for yourself is you and your own Improvement as opposed to the marker being an external Source such as a colleague such as a friend because like for me I used to think that not being able to author do what the PDX I wasn't a bit like I can do all the products.
I can try for leg, you know somewhat that's Orthopedics, right?But I can't do cruciate say, you know, I I've never done a fracture repair.I'd done a fracture removal.I think legs off have a look at my cat already.
That's right.Yeah, but maybe it's it's something you said there which kind of trigger the thought that it's it's a comparison within yourself and that should be where you should look for internal motivation where you look where you should actually kind of self assess yourself based on your improvement within you as opposed to A lot of people and comparing to them.
Yeah, and I think one again and it goes back to I because I get so many messages and I get quite a lot of worrying like messages or people upset because they're comparing themselves to other people like Jesus.I went to vet school.
I failed my first I felt an Animal Health and Welfare example, chrissake what the hell I found that hard at unique broadcast and have any way Broke-ass, I don't even know from probably did it but I do think this is a major thing because naturally we are competitive people.
Yeah, and it's very easy to look at other vets and think and I think this is one thing with the newer ones they'll Panic at what their colleagues say.They do even though it's not about looks they've not done it they've done six boosters than a bit spay and like I think There is this idea that we have to be better than each other when actually yeah.
Absolutely.I used to think.Oh, no, I friends do not impede.Its they get to play with drills like oh my God, I literally give like injections and that was good.Yeah again that comes retirement for me.It came with time like I realized well, I'm I might be a bit more confident or you know, seemingly better in one area than you are but your burner and seeming more confident in your area and together.
This is great.And but I think there are a lot of new grads and I'd and it happened to me that recently qualified where you have this competitiveness with your colleagues.It's actually be competitive with yourself.You should think well, okay, I'm gonna get better at this and I'm going to get better at this.
Yeah, I think really think it's something to be weary of a as new grad because it's important to have a support network, but I think what I've seen this with with several young weights including my wife and she just qualified she surveyed as well.
So you have the support network of friends from uni, which is great and they have the little WhatsApp chat group or something like that.But then as you say there's an underlying tone of competitiveness, so they'll tell Chad on the innuendo flowed but then they inevitably Shield read it and go what she struggled with this issue have even tried that and it is definitely a risk of I think it's important to carefully select your support group all all be very wary of of that.
FW support group turning into a competitive environment that I think that's it and you need to be able to support you but support each other but also not brag not both because I want a bit.Like I said, it's probably bullshit.Anyway, y'all did it like yeah, I did this today.
You didn't just you know being, you know, not trying to run before you can walk.It's just don't worry about what other people are getting up to or whatever like it's not it's not Not going to change the type of event that you are if you do it at a different pace to them or whether you do it at all.
And I think that's one thing that I try and teach the students that we have that not to worry about the exam marks or the people or whether they're doing this and you're not it's totally relevant or irrelevant.All right.I'm going to change tack a little bit if that's if that's all right with talking about students.
I think lots of the listeners looking at at the specifically Gerardo and your Followers and fans are probably students and they've all just finished exams or just just kicking back in holidays.So I want to take you back to your student days in part just again to to to get back to getting to know Louise a little bit better.
Please tell us about your one exam story.Just just I just remembered mentioning exams.He said something about a shopping list the sounds good.
I think it must be one of the most the end of the exams and everyone's like really sad and forted and underwhelmed by life at.It was Veterinary Public Health, which she going to work in an abattoir it just yeah, I actually as well I was going through breakups adds to the story be like I was going through a break.
I was an emotion away.I and I still do I got writing on my hands.Now you're sitting on this I write notes sometimes on my hands and I remember this particular lady who worked on reception at University.
She came around and she I looked at my hand and I thought she looking at there she came over and specifically looked at my hands and then I turned behind me and she was speaking on the phone.She picked up the phone from we're doing it in a Latin like him in the dissection lab and she'd failed up and at the end of the exam to me when everyone else was leaving in essence you come into it to the separate room, and she was like, I'm sorry.
I think we're gonna have to disqualify you be eating and I was just like what is going on and they had to get the dean of the University who absolutely hilarious.It was fantastic.Gary is called free England and he came and looked at my hand.They had photographed before he got there and he came and looked around and he was like No And it literally had like she had like corn flakes on it.
There's absolutely failed.And then I had to walk home didn't have a note to myself.Do not write on your hand around exams and also wash your hands more.
What she has more is 101 in terms of reducing inspect infection spread in hospitals.Yeah.Yeah, it's unless you're very clever and had a very ingenious code for so cornflakes is code for so Louise a speaking about student days in exams and and and that if you got any any tips or advice if you deal with Since these days that you could think that you could give to any potential student listeners out there just regarding exams and keeping a keeping a level head.
So I think one thing I realized about exam that you have to come to terms with it is you kind of go from what we are naturally perfectionists, and we want to wish you the best and I think you have to accept that.You just need you just need to pass it doesn't matter whether you Top marks, you just you know, air passes a pass is a pass.
I'm going to choose you you becoming a vet.It's not your grades.Don't turn in the type of that that you're going to be.You know, like I said, I used to say to people, you know, I had friends that well maybe not for him that would be they would achieve so much in exams, but it wouldn't have been the type of that that I was they wouldn't they and so I knew that that to me I was okay with I think you just have to Be okay with doing what you can the best you can do and my dad always just said to me doesn't matter what happens as long as you try your best and grades.
I think everyone panics about what grades they get and in them in the grand scheme of things.No one's going to ask you what you got.Nobody.Nobody cares Gerardo.You guys are a big employers.How much do you care about somebody's grades at University.
When you looking for a vet to work for you?This is there's a couple things I look for one is their employment history unless they're Mmm, but if they're not a Logan and they've low calmed a lot then that's a good that's good zoning because it's pretty unlikely that 12 practices are going to have an issue with that what it's pretty unlikely.
The 12 practice is going to have issues as opposed to that one person having issues which affected 12 practices.So I think that's a concern for me as a number of places.They've employed at unless they're a Locum.Yeah, but I don't think I've actually looked at someone's resume.
No, I'll go.A cover letter, but the regime a I'll leave when I want to walk in there.It's it's really about connecting with them and and how they are and their self awareness self.Awareness is a big one for me.So I even looked at someone's GPA for like the last about three four years in terms exactly.
Yeah, exactly.So these so the message to the students out there is in the real world.Nobody gives a crap about how well you did in your exams.I mean, we know that You know that you have to pass.I mean, I don't know how all the universities work.
But with hours you you couldn't get some security pass.Yeah, that was stressful, but you just have to pass and you can pass you've gotten to that school.That's the hardest but you just gotta pass.Yep, and just be organized be structured.Try not to be hungover all the time.
No, just just use your common sense, you know, just you'll pass.Mmm.Absolutely.Exactly.Now, you're piyo some veering off track a little bit here, but I was just interested in it.You you said that you did some volunteering as part of your course and in Thailand and India Namibia, that's that's fascinating that some if you could talk about that would do you have a favorite out of those places?
And did you learn much from that what?Yes, so I did say they were all probably the same and everybody but we have to do D six weeks extra mural studies, you have a set amount of different every farms and PicMonkey you have how emergency what you can do is yourself and I wanted to experience, you know, being Broad and in different cultures of things.
So my favorite was working in India at the tree of life for Animals.I definitely recommend depending on where are all my listeners with all the lessons are from India.It's fantastic humbling.
NG just amazing the things that they can do and that was remember in a small I wouldn't call it a party.It's just a rundown building where they just Rescue all of these dogs and you see, you know, a lot of people will never ever see distemper which obviously we and every other dog had to stem you'll see rabies you'll see wounds and fractures that you'll do.
You'll manage wounds you'll operate it.Was that dick?Just amazing and it makes you realize how lucky you are and how much more we can do for our animals.But one thing I did learn it in animals are like they would use the same surgical equipment time and time again, and nothing's animals would get sick.
God knows how yeah, but that was my favorite and it was just it was just yet really humbling seeing these animals, but I have Tree of Life is that it?Is it a charity or life for Animals?It's an animal charity run by a lady her name, but she I think she must have gone on holiday and didn't want to leave because she saw these street thugs that they hadn't that they had no, and yes, she set up the tree of life for animals and they are they are also on they're on Instagram.
They're on Facebook and I follow them and keep in touch with them, but for experience you get you'll do a lot of neutering but wounds and you'll see a lot of here while I'm petitions because they don't have the facilities to X-ray and things with yeah.
It's really great and a lot of mange never see him.I'll Never See mange like you do in these but yeah great great one that one.I think it's I think it's a valuable exercise to step out of your first world Ivory Tower work wise words.
A while that at Sea as you say see what things can be like it gives you a lovely perspective on how fortunate we are an unfortunate help patients are even absolutely have to learn to improvise on your feet to use what you've got and little because I'm help me think.
Oh my God, at least, you know, you can humanely give you know, I'll put animals to sleep in a humane way or you can give only for that they just don't have there.So that was I would definitely recommend that and I went to yeah went to place called nanka say yeah, I think I was a younger.
I think I was like a mini bet that single second year.That was great working in an animal sanctuary.That was a lot of husbandry related thing.So working with the boons and the cheetah conservation, which was great.Yeah.We also worked with the the Bushmen children, which was lovely.
That was not necessarily Vetti.It was just a bit of character building seeing different cultures.That was that was really really lovely and then I worked in yeah worked in Chiang Mai.I went to an elephant Sanctuary which very sad, but it was great because it was trying to build awareness about using the elephants for things that they shouldn't have and the place where I worked is whether you follow Oh, there's another vet.
I think it's the there's a traveling vet or traveling got something.He's actually there.She's working.It's called friends of the Asian elephant F AE and it was absolutely fantastic.It's where they started doing prosthesis on the elephant's we'd had their limbs blown off.
Well, I think it's on the Burma border.So that was amazing and then like all these pets and doctors are coming together to do it which was fantastic, but they made the movie call them.Who owned owned and stuff that's comments at these elephants that were mistreating them.
They make a in this in this rehab place to learn how to look after them.So it was that was also great, but obviously not, you know, not necessarily specific skills.I could take home.I like I'm not gonna be treating elephants.But again, you'll its comparative.
You need you learn different things and different cultures and different ways of treating things and it's great.It's perfect.Yeah, it's actually one thing that I haven't done yet is actually traveled.We're talking before about going through University and focusing on marks and things and when I when I was in high school, I didn't do particularly well at high school and then it was through actually wanted to do more with my kind of life after I graduated from high school because I didn't actually have a career path at all.
Um that I then found sort of Science and science was my entry point into veterinary science.Like I'd like it.I'd loved Anatomy physiology and biology and then that's where sort of I've found my focus my fuel to focus and that's where I kind of excelled but it was talking about the journey like it sounds like as if you filled your career Louisa with with with sort of a philosophy of sort of the journey and for me, it was always the marks and be In the best I could based in comparison to Marks and things and to others and how they went.
So I went through uni comparing myself a lot to my fellow colleagues and I had a really good friend and he was straight servants.You not just incredibly smart and Incredibly focused and I'd like I tried really hard to sort of emulate what he did and and and quite put quite a lot of pressure on myself and when I reflect back and listening to what you're saying there about where you went and what you did and things you saw you discussed about sort of your philosophy and thoughts around marks and uni, it did sound like as if you really did really focus on the journey the journey, it's like not just a destination, but the journey that actually you've gone through Laughter.
Yeah, so I was just I was using a mince pie Christmas.That's so weird.That's a weird thing to pick up the British obsession with the midst by it's not even needs.It's a fruit but it's actually really true but no it really was.
Can you still here?Yep internet.Yeah.I think I am not really a travesty.But I knew that I wanted to explore things because I think it's important you appreciate what you have over here.
And where you going to work and I really, you know, I went from being you're almost like a big fish in a little Pond when you're at college and you're giving out well and to actually being a really tiny small insignificant fish.That's just about scraping the barrel.Yeah, it's a matter of perspective, isn't it?
No mean try and no reinforcers.I was not a top achiever at that school.I wasn't I was getting you know, 51% 52% I failed I had to resit it's just it doesn't determine who you are or some people might be better at one exam than the other.
It's it's not about that and I think you are your exams aren't who you are you just know you've got to make Time for the things as well that will shape you as a veteran and to me that was having different experiences such as going on these going non these placements and I would love to go back to Tulsa.
I would definitely recommend anyone to go there.Yeah.I'm with Gerardo.I I haven't done the I've never done the charity work thing and it is something that that I feel like I'd love to do that.It's a question.It's a question of when where I think when you have the time specifically again young vets, I think below lat.
The language can be very very driven in the in a hurry to build a career and actually when you have the time and before you have children and that to take those opportunities to go to go work somewhere else and try something completely different.You've got 40 years to build your career, but those sort of experiences are so valuable.
That's it.And I think we we do data entry on same book.We get a lot of students that we try and encourage any way.But it again it depends on what they can afford to go to like neutering clinics and Things but often they go somewhere abroad on a nice cozy Beach and which I think is great to begin with because let's be honest if you well I always say to people if you do a bitch, but you can pretty much conquer anything.
Yeah, originally a fat Labrador bitch say, where did you hear that?It's like someone just poured oil into your surgeries or a really skinny.Whip it across some deep chested breed which happened to me the other day and it was the first Time I had to have another senior vet scrub in with me.
So that was yeah, we're not Invincible.Yeah, that's for sure.They I totally agree with this bathing.I really I just do emergency steps.I haven't done space for for like five years and I'm I don't regret it at all.Give me any emergency surgery xlab fine.Give me a fat laborious pale severe and while I'd look at how did you want to continue on here Schubert?
Like the cheetah Nixon slowly dropping out here.We do.You have the idol issue.Do you reckon it's good enough for us to carry out.I think like I think we covered some amazing stuff.Yeah, and like the really really shared with us quite a lot like I suppose there's one other thing other one other question.
I'll ask you before we run.But you know, we talked about, you know, desire for improvement.We talked about mentorship we talked about mine.Sets we talked about the benefits of managing expectations and focuses comparing yourself to others.
Like there's a shit ton of like amazing content there that that I think that probably be you know that all Miss could be a disco be a two part one on yeah.I'm not something but I think if we continue to talk we could talk Forever by the sounds of things, but maybe this might be a good time to sort of wrap up with a couple of short questions.
Yes said dodo.Don't deny me the opportunity to ask the short questions go away.Yeah, so maybe I'll ask one question and then and then Hubert can can wrap up with some short questions.And then that's a really good.
This bloody good one.Okay.Okay.So oh God.Am I supposed to be nervous?You going to ask me some ridiculous question?No, I don't think so.Now we've been pretty rough.Laughs I know so, okay.So you mentioned something at the start of the actual podcast and you said a phrase which was veterinary science or your job is fun.
If you make it like had that's something that resonates with me and I totally believe that you can walk in the situation.You have an impact and control over the situation you in the vast majority of the times stressful situations can be seen as challenges that need to be overcome and you know that you could definitely make situations more fun like at what kind of things do you do to make situations fun for you?
I think I mean by my nature and character.I'm sloth particular this so I try and lighten up whoever I'm working with and do you mean specific at work making things fun or trying to get the most out of what?
Yeah, and I think I don't take things too.Seriously.So, you know, we'll do some silly little things like you put silly dressings on animals or you talk in the stupid voice that I I don't know what happened.You know, I give us give us an example of a strip of his stupid voice even more just shy of 30.
My mom is like Louisa.This is ridiculous.I don't know.I think you've just got a just got it like I mean some practices don't but we'll have music on my today.We had a Christmas songs on whilst taking 20 teeth out of the Labrador and all kind of seals.
And I just I don't know.I just think I when I console and I can be formal and sort of serious when I want to be but I'm quite a personable person.So I make alterations a bit more relaxed and I'll try and get the clients on my wavelength a little bit and I'll make jokes or be silly and they probably think I'm absolutely bizarre.
But I just I try and be a bit more relaxed about things and in then I'll go into serious that money if I need to but I think It's just so important to not you just gotta lighten it up.Yeah, if you think how many funny things happen in a day at Veterinary in as a Veterinary surgeon, they are comedy a lot of the times like this sound old what watching nurses have Tantrums, you know, untangling all the ECG wire.
Oh you've got Hey there.Oh, I'm back District.Are we left?You took another bite of a mince pie?Yeah.Okay.No, I didn't miss it.No, it's not here peaceful in its little house when you said it untangling ezg leads and then after that last you there yes.
So I just think you know that there are everyday there will be something funny that happens.But you just have to you just have to you just have to lighten up at work.That's what I think.You know, it's not make you consultations a bit more comedy.Well, I do and clients won't think you're a lunatic I feel more relaxed about.
No, I agree with you that it's a unique profession this definitely moments of potentially of chaos and stress when I look around the clinic and I goat cheese imagine you sitting at a desk all day.Reading reports you're not going to have this sort of fun in many other jobs or the it.
It's a this level of this level of crazy and how you interpreted.This is up time.I think it's just a bit like what are the jobs do you get from going to like Ule it?Running like more happy coming to work Christmas apples and it was an art gay dog.
Then it was doing consults and having really just normal boosters and normal chats, then it was a cat in respiratory distress.And then it was having a mindfulness meeting.I mean you everything.Yeah.Absolutely.It's many things but it's not boring.Definitely if anyone says their days boring please change jobs.
Yeah, right.To remove to that do that just to the last few quick questions.Probably start with a simple one.Have you got any favorite books that you that you that you'd recommend to people?It doesn't have to be vet related.
I've just well, I really loved tattoo.I don't know whether tattoos of Auschwitz really great really quickly decried not cried at any books.Okay.All right, and I love the Henry Marsh but though he was a is a neurosurgeon.
Yeah, and he has written some amazing books one was called Do no harm and he chapters certain neurology disorders and the cases around it but also has his successes of his fellow what he deemed his failures and it's I read think I read it in 24 hours.
It's brilliant.So Henry Marsh Do no harm.Yeah, and then The second one which is admissions our life and brain surgery, which is good see and that you know, I'm not I'm not a neurologist by any means but I just think he writes like how we would and about his successes his downfalls his stresses his worries and they're really really good reads.
And and I'm sure everybody's read.Well, what's that new one?It's this is going to hurt is it you heard of that one?No.Oh, what'd you do?I'm too hurt.It's the secret diaries of a junior doctor gave up the profession.
Okay, it's called Adam K.And he now is a comedy writer.It's really hilarious.It's also sad that then goes through.You know, it's very relatable to us how stressful it is trying to be called know get get higher up the ladder and it's also it works in Gynecology so you can imagine And but it's sad because of he talks about people taking him to try and try and sue him that he was depressed and it's that that's I think that's what winning Awards over here.
You guys should get it or I'll send you a copy.Okay, and this is this is going to hurt.It's fantastic.They're my favorites up to the top of my list.Yeah a blue gold.It's got 4.8 Stars.Yeah 95% scent of people on Google like this book.
All right, and I think they will wrap it up with with the one last one back to the two new grated graduates and students.So you are in a lecture hall and you've got all the new veteran greatest of the world in one room, and you've got a minute or two to give them one message.
What's your message?Oh my God, I think my message would be let me think.I think it's just have have realistic expectations of what you're going to achieve when you begin.
Yeah, it was kind of two things out and my more advice is just find somewhere where you will you know that you've got someone to learn from and be there for you.That's I genuinely think your first job yet that's going to shape who you're going to become I think if you work with oh and be really nice your nurses because if your best friend nurses can get away with anything.
Yeah.I know it's not one thing.I think it's really hard something.I think there's a few things.I think it's just don't try and overdue you're going to get there doesn't doesn't matter.If you have done 10-bit space within the first two weeks, you're in the grand scheme of things.
It's totally irrelevant.It just just doing things slowly and safely.Yeah, we're friends with nurses and you know just to somewhere where you know, you're going to have someone to be there for you and support you that that's that's going to be the thing that's going Gonna, you know help you the most unrealistic expectations.
Oh, yes have really occasions that please don't try and run before you let that comes that comes back with their all controls together, right if you had if that one place had incredible support just not from the the veterinary teams had a mentor which help to keep things into perspective that would then manage your expectations, right?
And then if you had a nursing team that was able to support you and keep you in check because like Red, so we kind of have big heads and so forth and nurses carers Jack then that is like gold.I think a team and supported environment.
Yeah.Yeah.That's it.I'm done with you is so lovely to meet you lose a thank you so much for your time again.I think it's so fabulous that you can you can just connect with people all over the world.I just think it's about thank you so much for inviting me and I thank you very much for coming along.
Long and for those who don't follow the Weiser on Instagram, you can find her on Instagram at Louisa underscore that underscore vet.She's got a couple hundred posts are of clinical content some holiday snaps as well.And yeah just just incredible person to follow and inspiring inspirational as well with their Instagram stories and the the books and places that she's been will put in the link which He will put together.
Yep, and I'll be in the link and you can have a look down at the link below before the books and the places where she's been to and suggest the go for pack work.And yeah, thank you very much for making the time and it's been an incredible our thank you very much.Thank you so much.
Thanks so much guys.Thank you.You hi guys us again.We promised you a bonus section.
And here it is.So there's no point in us talking for hours to our guests.And then you walking away with no action plan on how to implement what we've just learned.So we've created this supposed to go smashing time.
This is where we discussed and point condolence and step to take so here's what we think.Take from this episode.Take a moment to think back to why you want to be a vet.Try to keep this in mind when you have a tough day at work.
Okay, and who do you call when you need help for help?We've got a tricky case or just when you need some emotional support if there's not an easy answer to this if there's not a name or a friend's name or a colleague's name that pops up in your head then consider asking somebody to officially be your Mentor or join in an official mentoring program so that you have that lifeline.
Pick one specific area that you want to get really good at work.This could be cardiology or eyelid surgery or client communication.So instead of being a generalist and wanting to be good at everything, it's actually better to spend time focusing on one particular area and getting good at that.
So be a little specialist in that area.Focus all your extra reading continuing education on that topic for the next three to six months instead of just randomly selecting articles and been generalizing things enroll in a course or talk on this topic today.
And finally focus on making your work fine, it can be such a serious workplace environment and it's can just drain the energy out of you.So when you're feeling down see if you can find an opportunity to add a little bit of silliness to your work environment Dorado if you got any any examples or any anything that you've that you like to do to keep things light and keep things actually, what we'll do is we'll include a list of things that you can do to create a positive.
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