Nov. 7, 2019
#17: 7 Rules For Surviving Veterinary Science. Gerardo and Hugh discuss Oliver's rules

For this episode we're trying something new. We've had so many valuable insights from our guests that we thought it would be well worth it to review some of our favourite bits. Join us as we dig deeper into the topics that we think can make a big impact on your career.
In this episode we explore some important themes from Dr Oliver Liyou, our guest from episode 4. Oliver shared some hard-earned wisdom that can be career-, or even life-saving . If you missed Oliver the first time, or if you need a refresher, please join us as we review Oliver's 7 rules for surviving veterinary science.
Good evening.Ladies and gentlemen, this is Gerardo Poli. and this sorry one of the best bits of advice I've ever received was to find good mentors and to learn from them trusted people who have already done what you're trying to do.
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Now.I've been fortunate throughout my career to have some fantastic mentors to help guide me, but I realize that they'd be hard to find and also hard to commit the time to 1.This is why we've gathered some of the best Minds from the Brave New World and squeeze them for their wisdom so that you don't have to learn the hard way with the help of our guests.0:53
We flipped the At a proficient on its back and explore its soft underbelly to find the tips tools and inspiration that you'll need to build the career that you've always wanted.I'm Gerardo Poli.I'm Hubert him strapped and this is the weight belt. 18 what we thought we would do with this podcast is reflect upon some of the most powerful moments.1:19
We've had in our previous guess we're up to 15 guests that have come on the show and we just want to make sure you haven't missed any powerful parts that have been previously covered and one of the ones I wanted to cover today was with dr.Oliver Li you and he's episode 4 and after 26 years as a veteran professional his experience a pretty highs and some incredibly dark.1:43
Please and in 2005.He actually attempted suicide which obviously survived but resulted in being in a coma for five days.Although the the topic of the podcast may seem a bit dark.It actually was a powerful podcast and and it was a wonderfully uplifting and brutally brutally honest episode and one of the powerful things that he shared actually several things that he shared was his tips for surviving the profession so we thought Thought we would recap these 7 tips and then share our thoughts on what they are.2:19
What I loved about Oliver's episode Dorado is I think that when people struggle in the profession or in any profession, they look for role models and they look for mentors, but the risk is that sometimes some of those rare role models and mentors may not have ever been in a situation where they've really struggled.2:37
They might have really always loved it and they've always had it sorted out and they know where they're going so thick sometimes it's hard for people to relate to somebody who is really struggling and not finding the groove inventory science.So I loved that Oliver had been to the worst part of the his career and has had to build strategies and find ways and think really hard about how am I going to make the best out of this and prevent something similar from happening again?3:03
So I agree with you these 7 tips, I think are very very valuable and very worth repeating.So go to the first one.The first one is be grateful for everything your health your ability to work your opportunity to do the profession that you dreamt of is when you were a kid and the fact that you live in, you know, most of us live in a first world country.3:23
So gratitude is essential part of Health growth and wealth for me gratitude is a daily practice and and I thought I would share that the there is I use my phone and I use my phone.3:39
And I create alarms and one of the alarms that I have is at a time of the afternoon when I'm driving home after work and a promise me to consider.What is a good moment that's occurred in the day.But what is the what is the moment that actually I achieved something great or that I connected well with someone during the day so it makes me reflect upon us for those powerful but also uplifting and makes me feel grateful about what's occurred during the day.4:07
So do you have it a practice yourself you but all what's wrong?Hi everyone.I love that and I've certainly heard of it from multiple places and that's not just the gratefulness thing and actively practicing gratefulness is not just an opinion.It's there's a lot of signs out there that that shows the massive positive effect effects of it.4:26
I'm not gonna lie.I tried I bought myself a little diary I started doing it but it's the falling of the have it hasn't worked for me yet.I keep stop it starting but it's something that I definitely I think I'm naturally.Quite good at that at appreciating things when it's happened when it happens.4:42
I've been much better at working on a mindfulness routine and part of that for me is appreciate appreciating things as they happen in the moment.So I have some sort of practice but not not the same as you went.When do you do yours do you do in the morning and the evenings?4:59
What's it?What's the time that works for you?Hmm, so she had a previous podcast that I have a performance planner.Okay.Now use beneficials performance planner.It's beautiful.And it's powerful there's numerous questions that he asked during the day like at the start of the day and also some questions that gets you to reflect upon at the end of the day and one of the questions that actually he asked you you have to ask yourself is what is a moment during the day that you actually go and look forward to so it's like as if you already grateful for something that hasn't been inhabiting it hasn't even occurred and it just sets you in.5:38
Uplifting sort of moment how I lift the mood and makes you sort of look forward to something that's going to occur and it in his books.He even talks about if you're if you can't think of anything then actually think of a situation that potentially might be stressed about and then turn that around somehow some way into how he could build you up or how the the Journey of going through that particular experience with actually upon reflection you be grateful for that.6:07
So, And then like I'm a busy person I'm sure everyone's busy but I really don't like leaving things to random chance.So having an alarm.I have an alarm that sits that that triggers off around about 6:00 6:15, and it's kind of like it varies between sort of days and what it's called, but sometimes just called, you know more be grateful for and it's an alarm says great for the great.6:34
That's fantastic.If you think I've said this before I Read this somewhere that might have been hated on the podcast probably now, but if you struggling to for something to be grateful for I had a monk talk talk about this and he talks about how gratefulness arises when you receive a gift that you didn't deserve.6:58
So if somebody gives you a gift, you didn't buy it you didn't work for it.You cannot help but feel grateful for that.That's a it's a beautiful feeling of gratefulness.The second part of it is every single moment of your life is a gift that you didn't work for you didn't deserve you don't do anything for it.7:15
So if you can't find anything specific to be grateful for this is literally just the fact that you're right here.This moment is a gift and they and and that's something to be grateful for.Hmm.Now, I love that sometimes actually in like some pretty nasty heavy days and you just exhausted it's it's you know with a lime goes off.7:35
It's kind of like, you know what it is.Is blue sky or the grass is green and I've said this before sometimes even just the smallest thing that kind of snaps you out of actually, you know, I'm alive and I'm experiencing the world and this really helps the right to remove to number two.I'll let me introduce another to you negative.7:51
Number two.I live a second tip was give more than you receive be as generous to others as you can be.It feels good makes you happier healthier and actually comes back to you in the long run sometimes in strange ways that you did not expect.I remember I live actually Mentioned that he's current partner he made through some favor that he did somebody so it does come back to you but only giveaway items that you can afford to whether they be in time money effort or Services.8:21
Don't let giving make you burn out you're of no use to other people if you have burnt out but yes giving giving is definitely a joy and that's something as as I as I moved through my career and I'm finding more and more valuable.8:37
Suddenly, I think I was a lot more self focused and selfish which I think's really natural in any career.You trying to build build a Career Builder live build your finances for me starting to give time without expecting something in return.8:52
It has it's been a joy is when I've been at has been one of my greatest Joys over the last few years.What about Yugi?Hmm?Yeah, totally I and again I've created a bit of a structure around this and and There's a question that I ask myself in the morning.9:09
It's who needs me at my a game today and you know, I can get caught in my own world and so forth, but then when I designate a person on that list, it could be Alex that could be used Hubert or it could be some work.But but then I'm intentionally like it changes my mindset from one of just being inwardly focused to actually how can I be of service to this particular person today?9:35
And so giving it makes We give more and I suppose the one question I would ask this to his listeners to consider would be you know, there's a situation that you repeatedly find yourself that you leave at that situation leaves you drained and exhausted.9:54
Right and let's say you can't change that situation instead of falling victim to it and consider it.There's there are ways that you can actually manage estate or learn potentially actually how to say no like like is there a way that you could say no in a way which doesn't leave you feel like as if you have lost power or the news aren't contributing or aren't serving others.10:19
So I don't know if anyone really considers, you know, these repeated events that occur in our days with where it's leave us in a disempowered state.You know, what can we do if we can control ourselves in the way that we respond to them or can we do to actually change that?10:35
To give you an example.What what sort of situation are we talking about?Yeah, that that would make you feel disempowered Mmm Yeah, so I guess I'll bring it back to something very basic and console could you know repeated number of consoles?10:51
Okay, you get slam slam slam slam get to six o'clock at night and you're drained, right?Because you've given everything for your clients during the day because you want to do the best for them and do the best for your pet for their pets and so forth and that might mean that Interaction you have with the client where which didn't go as well, but because you inherently want to do your best and and your best for your clients, you can't help but then internalized that and you make their reaction, which may be negative as a result of the actions that you talk or the actions.11:26
Are you you know you or what you said or what you did but quite often there are other things that are going on in someone's life and grief is expressed in And numerous different ways, you know, someone someone might be experiencing grief for what's going on with that pattern they lash out and getting anger.11:43
So so maybe it may be that you just don't accept to take on that responsibility, right?Yeah, you know you leave some space for yourself.It's like hey, I don't know what's going on.This person's life at the moment, you know to shoot situation and you know, I'm just going to conserve myself here.12:00
I'm not going to own that.And then give again that's often the this is the really tricky part.But sometimes you can still turn that situation around or at least make it less hard on yourself to go right this.There's something going on here.12:15
I don't think I deserve that.Is this something I can give to to to still help?So take a little extra step and and not to the point of burnout and again not and not because you you want to take the responsibility for what happens or Cuz it's your fault.12:33
But really it is that that that act of giving if you can or helping if you can even when you disagree with the client, you can still show them a little bit of kindness.So give them a little bit of extra attention or something and sometimes that will change the situation around or at the very least you walk away going.12:49
Well, I have given everything I can it's not me.It's them let's move on to the next thing.Hmm.Yeah and allowing yourself to just not accept the gift, you know, like they Of anger, right?You know, that's a gift.You don't have to receive.Yeah, I don't exactly have to take it and open it and absorb it you know, you could you could change the way that you actually initially respond and and I've done this in several situations where it's kind of that kind of respond in a way that's like, you know, somewhat may be irrational but then your response could either be like get your defenses up but then if you somehow train yourself to go actually well, that's interesting.13:29
You know that he changed the first word.It comes to mind from from he just wait what you know, I got something to say he say here to like that's interesting.Then it stops the role stops the flow stops, you know feeling like as if you have to defend your position and then stops you from internalizing whatever they say into I'm a bad vet now because of apps at this one person.13:52
So that's that's so valuable that that skill of not letting What people say to you and that's not always just clients.These days could be your co-workers or your boss not letting it ruin you or ruin your day or as you say not accepting that that gift of this is what it's going to do to me.14:15
I'm currently reading a little book on just looking for the title.I heard of this on the Tim Ferriss broadcast, but it's a beautiful little book and it's a short little book and you should get it Gerardo.If you haven't it's called awareness by Anthony De Mello.14:31
And it talks a lot about that about nobody can actually hit you your initial response might be I'm hurt or you've offended me or you've made me angry but understanding that that after that then it's your decision whether you hold onto it or whether you say, no actually you can't you can big a beard dick to me but I don't have to take that.14:55
I'm just not just let it roll and can carry on and it's a it's not an easy thing to do.It's an easy thing to talk about.And it's a very simple concept but it's well worth the read of that little book.You can tell very deeply into into the street.So men who put that in the show notes, it certainly certainly will.15:13
So we have to now get optimal 3.Yes.So learn as much as possible about being a high performer because this is what leading veterinarians are being a high performer encompasses everything from Health Energy resilience relationships intelligence wealth.15:32
It will lead to a happier healthier longer lasting more successful more rewarding high paying career than if you just use the skills and knowledge you got from your upbringing.And University so learn about being a performer.Yeah, that's what's that's the right honorable party.15:51
You have a very you have one of the most structured approaches to achieving that that I've ever seen and it's admirable II.Certainly I agree again the last the last few years of my life.I focused a lot more on that.I think initially the start of your vet career you so focused on clinical clinical clinical.16:10
I want to be a bit of it.You think you are the finished product?You think when you're 80 years old you are you are who you are then total rubbish.There's so much to learn just them just there's so many resources as you all know, I'm a mess of podcast fan.16:28
You books everything making time in your life to learn about yourself, then then we a week we learn how to get stronger that just makes everything better for sure.Oh, yeah, I totally agree and like and and I were you said there about you go through uni go through High School.16:49
You just want to get into vet school you get the vet school, and also need just want to be the best clinician ever and then you drown yourself in clinical knowledge.And then what I think is the wrong thing to do is to actually just set us to not understand the value of the non clinical aspects of what we do and that's just not Just client communication but that's us considering ourselves as like professionals.17:16
We're not just veterinarians.We are professionals and if we were professionals if we were professional athletes, there would be intentionality around are trained in the use of our time and goals and we're working towards and structures in place to help us be high-performing professionals.17:33
So in my mind, I see all of us veterinarians as high-performing professionals. we'll just fit you know, so we been through the tough journey of it's called it's forged us into the person that we are now, right but there's still another journey to go and that's where we fine-tuned and become the Uber Veterinary professional that we can be so there's that negative stigma for a lot of people and I certainly can't myself as one of them about the self-help industry, but I and I'm sure there's a lot of not I'm sure there is a lot of Rubbish out there, but there's a lot of good stuff out there and we all every single one of us have something to learn doesn't matter how old you are.18:21
There's always something more to learn.There's always something that you could polish and I don't want to say get get better at make make better for yourself.It's really there's always ways of improving The as well, as one thing that I would suggest would be and then you said before about awareness and self awareness and self awareness is incredibly important in this aspect because for many of us, it's it's just the awareness that actually you know, I'm not performing as good as I could be.18:48
What could I do?You know, where could I get feedback from who can I ask and then the being scared of getting feedback and see what one of the harshest critics of mind but also one of my biggest supporters is Alex and And you know like she's there and she's there to actually make sure that I am the best version of me that I could be.19:08
Right and she's got my back and when I don't act a particular way, if not role modeling the way for the leadership team and our hospitals of rural hospitals in general, you know, she's always there not necessarily just nagging at me saying I'm you know, I'm doing the wrong thing but she's consistently there knowing that there is a version of me that I could be that I want to be and she's going to help you get there so feedback.19:32
Constructive criticism whatever it is, you know absorb it take it and swallow it and it hurts but you needed I think that's a that's a very important aspect of it there.He's having surrounding yourself with people who share that same goal for themselves and and for you because it's the opposite can be very very true as well.19:54
If you hang out with people who are just unaware and satisfied with well.Could be satisfied with where you are.You don't have to be dissatisfied and always looking looking at the but the grass on the other side, but certainly people who are motivated to be better and and how open and honest enough to point it out when you're not being what you can be is a very very important part of this journey.20:21
Otherwise, it can be very lonely journey and you have to give them permission.Yes, so all of us for through for surviving veterans science do goal setting each here.Review your goals daily weekly and monthly many Studies have shown that that makes a huge difference to long-term outcomes, but make the goals in all aspects of your life with your health your relationships your career your finances spirituality hobbies and fun things and important thing is to review those goals.20:50
If they not working try something else or another technique that this I know you are very you're all over this Gerardo Polly.I've listened to you talk about the Wheel of Life.I think we've talked about it before in in this podcast that it's somewhere in our show notes go for it.21:09
The Wheel of Life is a powerful tool and it's a tool which helps you identify the areas in your life that aren't working.So well for you indicative do a wheel of Health we love career or whatever.Maybe would you draw a circle on a piece of paper and then you divide into 8 segments and then you put your eighth most important areas in your life quite often.21:31
There are things like hell with family relationships career Money travel Adventure or spirituality or something and then you screw yourself from 0 to 10 and with 0 being the center of the circle and ten being the outer aspects of the circle you just color in each segment.21:48
And then what do you have there in front of you is a diagram of your life and how you feel about different segments of it.If you put that wheel on a bicycle then you roll that we and you were riding down the hill on that bicycle then and Of us and this is clearly component.22:04
We would have a pretty bumpy ride.So then you pick the segments that you feel like you want to work on and then think of what would be a successful outcome for you in that what would look feel and sound like for you in that particular in that particular section of the wheel and then you break it backwards.22:21
How could I get there?You know, he was going to take it to you one year time frame to get there.And then what would be my five major moves Audrey my five milestones in which we would we we need to achieve along the way in order to get there and I think I've shared this before but on my bedroom, I have a wall and like every like every bedroom has but one of my walls is kind of like a Battle Board in a way and it's about a three meter by almost 2 meter whiteboard and on it is my plan for the year.22:57
And you know, I reflect upon that once a week and find over and I'd kick things off and so But it helps me keep me back on track.It's like when a plane flies from Brisbane to La it doesn't fly in a straight line every couple minutes or whatever it re corrects itself and then redirects itself.23:16
So it's just whenever I look at that I look at what I need to do next where I want to be and then I just Recon tree keep on readjusting my path and I feel that Weekly reflection Daily Reflection monthly weekly reflection monthly reflection or important.23:32
Aspects and unless you go through the process potentially who you're not actually living the life you want or you're actually at the whim of all the pic of other people's desires and needs so the bit more intentional about what you want.23:49
Really?That's it.I love it.And that what you just said, there were the airplane that is Oliver's fourth rule is remembering that you have your goal but not to be discouraged.Just when that airplane veers off course a little bit when there's a storm when something happens, even when you have to stop for fuel on the way there as long as you have that destination in mind.24:12
I think a powerful phrase is re-evaluate realign and re-engage and then re-evaluate realign re-engage and just keep on going around the same time every week.You do that reevaluate realign re-engage and then do you Your goals things that you tick off for you get your goal or do you do re-evaluate sometimes and go actually that's no longer my goal.24:37
I'm going to change my goal or once you set a goal you like a like a like a pit bull who don't let go over there go.You know and that's actually there's something that's come with time and realizing that and this is so I do performance coaching.24:55
And when I talked to the the people that I performance coach one of the key things that they get stuck on is kind of like I don't know if this is something that I want to do ya know I could be I could be spending the next four months and fight realized.I don't want to do this.I want to think more about what I want to do.Okay.25:11
Well, then you're going to find yourself.Another years time thinking about the same thing again, right and what they forget is that Clarity comes through action Clarity doesn't often come through thought it's actually when you start to take action on your thoughts that you realize that either you like what you don't like it.25:30
There's no qualms.There's nothing wrong with changing your goals.Once you realize you taking action, that's not the thing you want to do, but you could still be there three years time considering that saying thought not taking actions.I think that's a very Important one.I I think I'm proud to paralysis through analysis through going on.25:47
Is that really what I want?What if what if I don't like and this is the downside and that and instead of just saying all the just give it a try.What's the worst thing that can happen?So number 6 was learning techniques are finding out what you really want in life and it may come down to going back right to the emotions and the feeling that makes you feel good.26:10
If you prefer to be safe and secure, then don't choose a career path that is dangerous risky and has no real job description.So once you know what you want find good role models who you can learn from so that you're not having to reinvent the wheel learn from them.26:26
So what are your thoughts around Role Models before we talk roll bottles?Just I think that this boy again goes back to our previous discussion about finding out what you really want to know that their come you can't set goals.Until you find out what you want in life.And it's sometimes it's easier said than done.26:42
I don't know.Have you got if you got advice for that.How do you figure out what you want in life?E yeah sometimes what I do is I break it down and I don't think as far ahead like I have goals for financial goals and house goals and things like that, but you know what, I really want in life.27:06
I don't really know unless I try unless I try what I want to do now and see what happens but then I know that every couple years I'm going to Plateau I'm going to you know, I got out of bed School two years and I Reached I was very comfortable in general practice and then sorry transition to emergency and that you know, she shook everything up and then another two years and then I was comfortable in emergency.27:32
So then what was the next thing?Okay training next thing mentoring next thing management existing business ownership with next thing right?So it's not not that are we happy when I reach this thing.It's just that I know that that I am comfortable knowing that my path will Change depending on how I feel and how my skills and my knowledge grows.27:54
So my my future is for me pretty exciting because I just know that I can take you wherever I want to go.Yeah, I think there's a brings us back again to to awareness to self awareness and awareness and Oliver talks about to figure out what you want in life.28:16
Go back to the emotions and the feelings that make you feel good.When you do those things, sometimes there's a lack of awareness there to go.Like I don't actually know what I like.I understand what you're saying.It's you know, what is it that you want to experience?You know, what is it that you want to feel it may not be a particular goal.28:35
But if you got there and you achieve that goal, but at the same time you felt something, you know, so what does it's just a peaceful outcome look like for you and three years.I want to be a business owner.Okay, fine, they could be something but you're going to be unhappy business owner.You want to be a designer?It's like what do you want to feel?28:52
You know, what does it mean for you?What kind of impact do you want to have on your team on your community and the pets and their owners that you see ya.All right consider what it means for you and and the feeling you want to actually have when you achieve that great.That's good.Thanks for clarifying that now in terms of Role Models mentors.29:10
Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes.I didn't have enough of them still always looking for.All but yes, I am learning that that's extremely valuable.Have you got have you got mentors who you actively learning from Gerardo?29:28
Mmm Yeah and a couple points there is he is if you don't have the mentoring don't let yourself be the victim of I don't have the mentoring or I don't have access to the mentorian.There is like you got the AV a mentoring program, which you remote mentoring, right?29:49
You can change where you're at change the environment.If it doesn't align with you change your environment to one which is more like more highly supported and you have a mentor you can Ask all the people who their mentors are and ask them are those mentors if they would be your mentor and also you've got to consider that sometimes you have to pay for mentoring and like I'm a performance coach.30:12
So people pay me for mentoring, but I also have a coach and at one stage.I had two coaches, right and one was was helping me with regards to my mindset and Clarity been around rolling out a particular.30:28
Eject and plan.The other one was actually coaching me on life and in life in general.So so it was incredible valued that I got from actually investing in coaching and investing in my own professional development.30:43
So the last thing I would say Hewitt maybe sounds like it's probably a little bit but you got to look at this your circle.You got to look at the people that you surround yourself with the people in your environment and whether or not those people Support you and whether or not they are the right people to help you get to where you want.31:04
So they talk about you influential father talked about you in a so-called leveling up your squad, you know, go find people who have done or do learn the amount that you want, you know, are they kind of people that you want to be and spend time with them because it will quite often it's the mindset and it's the thoughts that actually stop us from getting where we want as opposed to the actual ability.31:28
There's a lovely saying that says you are the average of the five people that you most surround yourself with its and in the last kind of three years.I've actively sought paid for as well as asked people to be particular mentors in different areas of my life and it's propelled me forward and helped me so much.31:55
Excellent.Yeah, so And paid for mentors yet, but you know because it's because I'm Angie I wasn't gonna say that but I will if I have to Alright and then our number 7 Rule and this one I love and again, this is something I'm learning more and more learn to embrace failure as you probably haven't experienced too much of it in your young life live by the sayings like success is due to good judgment good judgment is due to experience and experiences.32:27
Is due to bad judgment, I feel very strongly I think particularly in our profession you don't you don't get into vet school and you don't get out of it school without a high degree of success.So I don't think too many of us are very comfortable with failing.32:45
So when we start failing in real life, it comes as a bit of a shock and it flows some of us to me starting to learn that seeking out situations where there's a fair chance.Going to fail is the fastest way to Improvement whether that is clinically personally relationship-wise get comfortable with failure.33:06
If you fail it's not the end of the world.In fact, you have to fail to to move forward totally totally true.And as a mentor, let's say that you're a senior clinician in a hospital or you have a new graduate veterinarian.33:21
He's jumping on board and your Mentor in them.Then you have to share your values.And there's one of the most powerful things that my mentors and the senior clinicians above me did for me and that it was share their failures so that you know, I learnt from as well, but also it it made them feel more real as a mentor.33:46
It made you Mentor feel more real and that they actually have something of value and and a mentor who thinks that are invincible and vulnerable has never failed at anything is is Well, is it because he's a liar for a start?Yeah.No, you're right then it and it also just models do that.34:07
The person that I respect is okay with with failing so I should be okay with failing.Its I think essential I'm thinking of another another lovely quote.I like about failure failure is acceptable but failing to learn from your failures is unacceptable.34:24
It is just such a such a good school.It's a that failure.It hurts the most you're going to remember that lizard forever.So know that I'd love a love rule number seven.And somewhat there's two things that I want to share and one as a mentor sometimes actually you have to let your mentee fail.34:46
Provided that they are in a safe environment and it's not going to kill anything then if they decide to go down diagnostic pathway that you know probably isn't going to get to the answer.They're not going to know unless they've done that so you let them fail in safe environments and then they learn from the experience, but also one of my coaches told me and ingrained this in my head, which was whenever a situation arose that didn't go the way that I wanted to be or an adverse outcome occurred.35:17
Then three questions you ask is what do you learn about yourself?What did you learn about others and what can you do next time and and it was really kind of pulling out the learnings out of the failure and actually not then allowing it to globalize into.35:32
Oh, I did such a good job.I'm shit vet like the roller coaster or slippery slope.Let's say down to that globalization of one particular incident that then all the sudden makes you think that everything that you have done in your career is, you know, not worthwhile.35:53
So, yep, I found that that was really helpful.No and it goes beyond I am learning.I have learnt this lesson in clinical practice, but then it goes beyond I'm finding it in my personal life or in any other Adventures or any other Ventures I do when recently came back from from a holiday and sounds stupid but Situations where let's say we plan something and it didn't go according to plan.36:22
It wasn't what we imagined.We stayed in a hotel or with somewhere that that didn't work out as I planned and it sounds ridiculous, but I used to beat myself up over there and go home and I've got limited money with limited time.I've wasted a day of the holiday and then stopping and going it's a it's a failure in how I did what my expectations were, but what have we learned?36:45
What have I seen?What I didn't expect if nothing else.Well, I've learned that I'm never going to come back here again at but this value in it in every single failure every single thing that you do you sit back and go.Oh, what's the lesson and and then just just move on from that?37:04
I think it also helps too.Sort of be in a mindset of what can you learn regardless of whether lots of failure or not?Yeah.So when we film and produce video when we film The Unleashed online conference, one of the first things we did is we celebrated had beer and great and because we streamed live for 20 hours, but we got a white board out and say, okay.37:30
What do we learn?What can we do better next time?What could we do to you know, what didn't work so well, how could we Prove that and just like it's an evaluation of not just the failures but also the achievements as well because they're also room and learning in that too.37:47
So yeah.Yep.Yep.Yep.That's a that's a very tricky thing.You can apply that to clinical practice.So the case goes well the outcome is good didn't tap pat yourself on the back and go great.I'm fantastic.I can do this having that awareness to say crude that worked out.38:06
What could I have done better anyway to make it even better next time I think get there just speaking of clinical practice.That's a very tricky lesson, but I think quite an important thing when you do case studies or case around is to do not just look at the cases that went wrong and learn from that because sometimes the case goes wrong and you've done everything perfectly but they still go wrong.38:25
So evaluate your thinking saying not did the case go well or did it go wrong to go.How was the thinking and how the processes in this situation?What were they good?Of could we have done it better?It also takes you to the next level when you start to evaluate you wins, right and your achievements because then it helps you integrate those winds.38:48
Yeah, right.We often think I'll be confident.Once I can do this particular procedure or this gdv surgery or something like that.But then what happens is you have to Pat yourself on the back and reflect upon the achievements.You've done small steps ride you it's like trying to jump from the ground level to level one.39:09
And then somehow expect to be confident enough to do that.But it takes each single step.Each single step is an achievement and each single step isn't it is integration of a wind that you've just done so you build the confidence up through reflecting upon your accomplishments and learning what you've learned therefore when you when you think about what you've learned then you own that lesson you've owned that achievement and you integrate that win another boost of confidence.39:34
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