Aug. 5, 2025

#145: Working in Australia: The Essential Roadmap for International Vets. With Dr Natalia Gomez

#145: Working in Australia: The Essential Roadmap for International Vets. With Dr Natalia Gomez

Thinking of trading grey skies for the Australian sun – stethoscope in hand?
Moving to Australia as a vet can change your life, but here’s the truth: it’s not a straight road. Between visa hurdles, the dreaded AVE exams, and adjusting to a new culture (gotta love the Aussie slang!), the journey demands grit, strategy, and support.

In this episode, we talk to Dr. Natalia Gomez , Colombian-born vet and co-founder of Brainy Bilby, a platform dedicated to helping foreign-trained vets prepare for the AVE, about the tips, pitfalls, and success stories learnt from her own her journey, and from the other overseas-trained vets she’s coached through the AVE.

 

Here’s what you’ll learn:

  • Why Australia is one of the most in-demand vet destinations – and how to make it work for you
  • The step-by-step roadmap to your veterinary licence (no fluff, just facts)
  • AVE decoded: costs, structure, study tips & mistakes to avoid
  • What it’s really like working under supervision (and finding supportive employers)
  • The practical exam explained: sheep tipping, cow pregnancy tests, and more
  • Surviving the financial and emotional rollercoaster – without burning out
  • How to adapt to Aussie culture, slang, and workplace quirks
  • Life on the other side: what makes it all worth it

 

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Episode timestamps:

04:32 Why Australia? The Allure for Vets

10:04 The Australian Veterinary Examination (AVE)

16:31 Navigating the English Test and Paperwork

26:35 The Cost and Commitment of the AVE

29:05 Working Under Supervision

36:58 Preparing for the Practical Exam

44:43 Cultural and Language Barriers

 

How to Become a Veterinarian in Australia as an Overseas Graduate

Becoming a veterinarian in Australia as an overseas graduate involves navigating a multi-year, multi-thousand dollar gauntlet of exams, visas, and paperwork. It is widely considered a notoriously difficult process, comparable in challenge, time, and sacrifice to becoming a specialist in Australia. However, for many, Australia is an attractive destination due to its appealing lifestyle, work culture, and treatment of animals.
Here is a comprehensive roadmap and key considerations for overseas veterinarians seeking to practise in Australia:

Why Australia is an Attractive Destination

  • Lifestyle and Culture: Australia offers a great place to live, raise a family, and work as a vet. Many are drawn to its sunnier climate, especially compared to places like the UK. Natalia Gomez, a Colombian-born veterinarian, fell in love with Australia's equitarian culture, where there's a strong strive for equality and less outward display of wealth compared to South America.
  • Animal Welfare: Australians' treatment and respect for animals, including wildlife, is a significant draw, particularly the lack of stray dogs, which is a stark contrast to some other countries.
  • Work-Life Balance: The Australian veterinary working culture is generally more "chilled" compared to the UK or US, with a strong focus on lifestyle. Vets typically enjoy more free time, including four weeks of paid holiday, compared to, for example, five days in the US. While you might earn less than in the US, the quality of life is high, and you don't need excessive money to enjoy pristine beaches and activities.
  • Employment: There's plenty of work available for vets in Australia. While you may not get rich as an employed vet, you will have a comfortable living, with a roof over your head and enough to eat.

The Australian Veterinary Examination (AVE) Process

The journey to becoming a fully registered vet in Australia typically involves several key stages:
  1. University Recognition and Initial Research:
    • Check University List: Before anything else, you must verify that your university is on the list of world universities recognised by the Australian Veterinary Boards Council (AVBC). If your university is not on this list, you will unfortunately not be eligible to sit the AVE and would need to re-study veterinary science.
    • AVBC Website: The AVBC website has a dedicated section for overseas veterinarians with helpful information and PDFs. It is crucial to invest time in reading through all the details.
    • Visa and Immigration:
      • Visa options vary significantly depending on your country of origin (e.g., working holiday visas may not be available for all nationalities).
      • While it's possible to start the AVE process from your home country, it often takes longer. Many find it easier to come to Australia first, perhaps on a student or working holiday visa, to get used to the lifestyle and begin the process from within the country.
      • Gaining permanent residency directly from overseas is possible via a point system (as experienced by the podcast host), where veterinary qualifications and work experience can contribute points. However, points for work experience may only count from when you are registered in Australia.
      • The Australian immigration website contains all necessary details, and it's possible to navigate the process without an expensive immigration lawyer, provided you follow instructions meticulously.
  2. The English Test (First Major Hurdle):
    • This is the first crucial hurdle you must overcome. You need to achieve a high score in all sections (listening, speaking, writing).
    • Commonly accepted tests include the Occupational English Test (OET), PTE, and IELTS Academic. The OET is often preferred by health professionals as its writing and speaking sections are tailored to the profession, making it more relatable and potentially less stressful. For the OET, a score of 7 (70%) in each section is often required.
    • Common Pitfall: Many overseas vets, even those who feel fluent, postpone this test, leading to significant stress and frustration when they fail due to lack of preparation for the specific exam format. It is vital to understand what the examiners are looking for, time limits, and specific scenarios (e.g., writing referral letters, role-playing consultations).
    • Recommendation: Prepare thoroughly for the exam itself, regardless of your perceived fluency, by studying practice materials and understanding the test structure.
  3. AVE Application and Multiple Choice Questions (MCQ) Exam:
    • Paperwork: Once you have passed your English test, gather all necessary paperwork from your home country (e.g., university degrees, registration details). This paperwork often needs to be translated by an official translator.
    • Application: Apply to the AVBC to sit the exam. There is an application fee, historically around AUD 500-600. Acceptance is not guaranteed for everyone.
    • MCQ Exam:
      • This is the first part of the AVE, typically held once a year in April.
      • Cost: The fee for the MCQ exam can be substantial, historically ranging from AUD 3,400 to almost AUD 6,000.
      • Content: The exam has two papers: one on basic clinical science (e.g., anatomy, physiology, pathology) and another on clinical cases across various animals (cows, pigs, small ruminants, horses, exotics, dogs, cats). Crucially, it includes Australian-specific facts, vocabulary, epidemiology, and protocols (e.g., diseases prevalent in Australia, specific terms for animal anatomy).
      • Pass Rate: The pass rate can be challenging, with one recent year showing a 60% pass rate. This means passing is "definitely not a given".
      • If you pass the MCQ: You will be granted temporary registration, which allows you to work as a vet in Australia under supervision. This means you cannot work as a sole practitioner, nor can you dispense Schedule 8 drugs on your own. Your salary will likely be comparable to a new graduate's. You then have five years to complete the final practical exam. This period allows you to gain experience, earn money, and prepare for the next stage. Some employers may even help with fees for the final exam.
  4. Practical and Oral Exam (Final Hurdle):
    • Cost: This is the most expensive part, with fees historically around AUD 7,000 to AUD 10,000.
    • Location: This exam is exclusively held at Gatton University in Queensland, requiring you to travel to Australia if you are overseas.
    • Format: It is an intensive, week-long examination (Monday to Friday), comprising multiple oral and practical components daily.
    • Content: You will be tested on hands-on experience across all species. This includes practical skills like tipping a sheep, conducting oral and lameness examinations on horses, performing physical exams, knowing vital signs for various animals, applying epidurals to cows, and rectal palpation for pregnancy diagnosis in cattle. You will also need to perform surgical procedures, such as a spay or cystotomy. Oral examinations often involve case discussions where you are asked to demonstrate your diagnostic and management approach.
    • Preparation: Preparing for the practical exam requires significant effort, especially if you lack experience with large animals or specific procedures. Many candidates offer to work with regional vets to gain the necessary hands-on experience.
    • Flexibility: A beneficial aspect of this exam is that if you fail a specific section (e.g., the spay or a particular palpation), you only need to re-take that specific component, not the entire exam. This exam is held twice a year.

Overall Timeline and Financial Commitment

  • The entire process, from initial paperwork to full registration, typically takes two to three years in an ideal scenario (e.g., with financial support and focused study).
  • However, if you are also working and balancing other life commitments, it can realistically extend to three to five years.
  • The financial investment is substantial, covering exam fees, visa renewals, and living expenses. Despite the cost, it is seen as a worthwhile investment in your future earning potential and lifestyle.

Unexpected Challenges and Insights

  • Gaining Trust: Upon commencing work in Australia, you may find that gaining the trust of colleagues takes time, especially if you are unfamiliar with Australian-specific terminology, medications, or certain surgical procedures.
  • Cultural Nuances: Beyond veterinary practice, navigating the local culture can be challenging. You might encounter jokes or references from Australian childhoods, TV shows, or slang that are unfamiliar. This can lead to moments of not understanding or feeling like an outsider. Engaging with Australian literature or old Australian TV shows like "The Castle" can help bridge this cultural gap.
  • Time Perspective: The time commitment (e.g., three to five years) might seem daunting, especially in your twenties. However, it's essential to remember that time passes quickly, and this period is an investment in achieving a significant career and lifestyle goal. Many feel that the "little bit of hard now" is worth it for the long-term benefits.

Resources for Preparation

  • Brainy Bilby: Co-founded by Dr. Natalia Gomez, Brainy Bilby is currently the only Australian-based online platform designed to help overseas veterinarians prepare for the AVE. It provides study schedules, resources (including Australian-specific facts), and a supportive private group. Their courses are designed to be affordable. (A "bilby" is a small, cute, nocturnal Australian marsupial animal.)
  • Online Resources: For English tests like the OET, YouTube channels and official websites offer helpful tips and practice materials. For general immigration queries, AI tools like ChatGPT can provide information, and the official Australian immigration website is a comprehensive resource.

 

Challenges and Pitfalls for International Veterinarians

Becoming a veterinarian in Australia as an overseas graduate is widely considered a notoriously difficult process, often compared in challenge, time, and sacrifice to becoming a specialist in Australia. It involves a "multi-year, multi-thousand dollar gauntlet of exams, visas, and paperwork".
Here are the key challenges and pitfalls:
  • University Recognition is Paramount: The first and most crucial hurdle is ensuring your university is on the list of world universities recognised by the Australian Veterinary Boards Council (AVBC). If your university is not on this list, you will unfortunately not be eligible to sit the Australian Veterinary Examination (AVE) and would need to re-study veterinary science in Australia.
  • The English Test as the Initial Hurdle:
    • You must achieve a high score in all sections (listening, speaking, writing) of an accepted English test, such as the Occupational English Test (OET), PTE, or IELTS Academic. For OET, a score of 7 (70%) in each section is often required.
    • A common pitfall is that many overseas vets, even those who feel fluent, postpone this test. This often leads to significant stress and frustration when they fail due to a lack of preparation for the specific exam format, not their general fluency. It is vital to understand examiner expectations, time limits, and specific scenarios (e.g., writing referral letters, role-playing consultations).
    • Failing this initial test can lead to frustration and giving up on the entire process, even after significant study for the veterinary exams. It is the "starting gate".
  • Complex Visa and Immigration Process:
    • Visa options vary significantly by country of origin (e.g., working holiday visas are not available for all nationalities like Colombia, requiring a student visa instead).
    • Navigating visa renewals can be difficult, especially if on a student visa or working as a vet nurse, as sponsorship might tie them to a non-vet role for extended periods.
    • The process demands meticulous attention to detail; there is "no room for a single mistake" when submitting paperwork, as a tiny error can lead to rejection.
  • The Australian Veterinary Examination (AVE) Itself:
    • Extensive Paperwork: Once the English test is passed, a lot of paperwork from your home country (e.g., university degrees, registration details) needs to be gathered and officially translated.
    • Application is Not Guaranteed: You must apply to the AVBC to sit the exam, and acceptance is not guaranteed for everyone.
    • Lack of Resources/Guidance: A significant challenge is that once accepted, candidates are largely "on their own" with no official resources, tips, or study guides provided by the AVBC. This gap led to the creation of platforms like Brainy Bilby to provide support.
    • Substantial Financial Cost: The fees are significant: historically, the application fee is around AUD 500-600, the Multiple Choice Questions (MCQ) exam can range from AUD 3,400 to almost AUD 6,000, and the final Practical and Oral Exam can be AUD 7,000 to AUD 10,000. This cost, combined with the general high cost of living in Australia and visa renewals, can be a major discouragement.
    • Australian-Specific Content: The MCQ exam includes Australian-specific facts, vocabulary, epidemiology, and protocols for diseases prevalent in Australia, which requires a "massive adjustment" in study.
    • Challenging Pass Rates: The pass rate for the MCQ exam can be challenging, with one recent year showing a 60% pass rate, meaning passing is "definitely not a given".
  • Demanding Practical and Oral Exam:
    • Location Constraint: This part of the exam is only held at Gatton University in Queensland, requiring candidates to travel to Australia if overseas.
    • Intensive Format: It's an intensive, week-long examination comprising multiple oral and practical components daily.
    • Broad Practical Skills: You are tested on hands-on experience across all species, including large animals, requiring skills like tipping a sheep, performing oral and lameness examinations on horses, applying epidurals to cows, rectal palpation for pregnancy diagnosis, and even surgical procedures like a spay or cystotomy. Many international vets lack this specific large animal or hands-on experience and need to actively seek it out with regional vets.
  • Significant Time Commitment: The entire process, from initial paperwork to full registration, typically takes two to three years in an ideal scenario, but can realistically extend to three to five years if you are also working and balancing other life commitments. This long timeline can feel daunting, especially for younger vets.
  • Post-Exam Challenges and Cultural Integration:
    • Gaining Trust from Colleagues: Even after passing the initial MCQ exam and gaining temporary registration, it can take time to gain the trust of colleagues. This is partly due to unfamiliarity with Australian-specific terminology, medications, or certain surgical procedures, which can sometimes be misjudged as a lack of knowledge.
    • Limitations of Temporary Registration: While it allows you to work as a vet under supervision, you cannot work as a sole practitioner or dispense Schedule 8 drugs on your own. Employers must sign a legal document supervising you, which some practices may be "reluctant" to do. Your salary will likely be comparable to a new graduate's.
    • Cultural Nuances: Beyond the veterinary practice itself, navigating the local culture can be challenging. You might encounter jokes, references from Australian childhoods, TV shows, or slang that are unfamiliar, leading to moments of not understanding or feeling like an "outsider".
Back in 2008, me and my wife who is also a vet by the way, I don't know that I've ever mentioned that on here, but we decided that the UK was too wet and cold for us after we had a three-year work and travel adventure there.But we also didn't want to go back to South Africa.
So what is the next logical step?It's Australia right?So here we are close to 20 years later and I have to admit I have close to 0 regrets about that decision.Of course this family and culture and the familiar things that you leave behind when you immigrate.
But as a place to live, to raise a family and to work as a vet, I think it'll be hard to beat Australia.And a lot of people know that and want to do what we did.Pack up your stethoscope and chase sunniest skies here in Australia.So every now and again someone will ask me for advice on how to get it to us as a vet.
But 2008 is a long time ago and my advice is very outdated.Other than you should do it, It's great here.That advice remains unchanged.So to create a sensible episode that will give you more up to date advice on how to go about getting your license to practice as a vet in Australia, I called in a favour from a friend who is all over the stuff.
I'm Ebert Hemstra and you're listening to the Vet Vault where we unpack the hard stuff that they don't put in the job and like say the multi year multi $1000 gauntlet of exams, visas and paperwork that stands between you and non Aussie and a vet job in Australia.
Our guest for this one is Doctor Natalia Gomez, a Colombian born veterinarian and Co founder of Brainy Bilby, which is a platform that helps foreign vets prepare for the notoriously difficult Australian veterinary exam for the Ave.A Bilby by the way, is a small, ridiculously cute little Australian marsupial animal.
Nocturnal of course, and something that you would not know existed unless you live right here in Australia.Kind of like information about the Ave. and immigrating to Australia as a vet.Now, as a previous Ave. candidate or victim, Natalia has made it her mission to help others do the same.
Because when she went through the process, she found out that there was nothing out there to guide her.In this conversation, Natalia and I breakdown everything why Australia is such an attractive destination for vets, what makes the Ave. so daunting and the step by step road map for how to tackle it without losing your mind.
We talk about the real costs, both financial and emotional, how long it takes, the biggest pitfalls to avoid and what life is actually like once you've made it across the finish line.So if you are a vet, trained overseas, and curious about what it actually takes to practice Down Under, this one is for you.
I have so much respect for anyone who goes through this process.It's easy to forget what it takes to start over in a new country, and Natalia lays it all out with honesty, humor, and a ton of practical insight.Let's get into it with Doctor Natalia Gomez.Cool topic today.
I am a foreign vet, but for somebody who is a veterinarian in any other country and they're considering moving and working in Australia as a veterinarian, that's what we're talking about, as you said before, and immigrating and working as a vet in Australia For Dummies 101.Exactly.
Especially if you have to do the Australasian Veterinary Examination, which is what makes it very challenging, right?Like you were very lucky because you didn't have to do the exam.You just get your registration.But unfortunately for other people to come from other countries, including some developing countries like Germany, for example, they still need to do the exam.
So that's a big, big, big hurdle in the process.Huge hurdle.I wonder if I would have so Willy nilly moved to Australia if I had to face that exam.I think it might have actually put me off.Yeah, honestly.Honestly, I have seen interns on the process of becoming a specialist when I was working as a vet nurse in Australia.
I would dare to compare the process to becoming a specialist in Australia.It's just so challenging, requires so much study and sacrifice and you also have to do 2 exams.Like when you become a membership you have to do the membership exam and then the fellowship.
So it's pretty similar, I would say, in terms of sacrifice and time commitment, yes, it's massive.OK before we get into the nitty gritty and the exam and stuff, I want to start and I have my own answers but why Australia?
Why bother is the first question.Like what drove Natalia to say, well, I want to leave Colombia and come and work in Australia.Yeah, so I came to Australia when I was 18 to study English and I loved it.I fell in love with the culture.I couldn't stay because, you know, I was super young and stupid and immature and I couldn't, well, my mother couldn't afford paying university here as a foreign student, as an international student.
The fees are super high.And I already had a secure place back in Colombia.I went back to Colombia after six months, but I knew that I wanted to come back.Like I fell in love first with the equal equalitarian culture.Like for Australians, the one that has a lot of money usually doesn't show it up and everyone is kind of like the same.
Like there is this strong strive for equality in South America.It's really not that way.You really see the one that is rich really shows it.The one that is poor, you realize, really poor.And that contrast is super strong.And animals as well.Like I loved how Australians treat animals, wildlife.
The fact that you don't see stray dogs, that was a massive wow.I saw that and I was like, wow, it's just in South America, every day is a struggle.As a person that loves animals, you see the fact that Australians respect wildlife.
So it's kind of like all of those little things that made me fell in love with Australia, so I knew that I wanted to come back and then I did my degree and as soon as I finish, I came back.OK, I I'll add to that and this is, I didn't know this before I moved, but what's it like working as a vet in Australia culturally?
Because I've worked in South Africa as a vet and I also worked in the UK for a stint.What I like about us, and this might be even be for people listening from the US or places that have very much developed high level of veterinary care, but Australian working culture is a bit more chilled than a lot of other places I find.
I don't know if did you ever work as a vet in Colombia or did you come straight here after studying.I did not work as a vet.I did work as a vet nurse in my last year and I did some rotating internships.But I did get to see the culture.And funny enough that you say that when I graduated in Colombia, I was like, if I don't go to Australia, there is no way I'm going to work as a vet in Colombia.
It's just I just didn't like the way that things were for vets.The things that appealed to me about ours, and this is speaking to a lot of American vets as well.And then it used to be similar when I left the UK, which was about 15 years ago now, it was quite similar UK to Australia, a little bit more chilled in Australia, more free time.
I feel like the UK has changed from speaking to people, also very financially driven, quite a stressful industry versus and then also American vets.They seem to work a lot as in hours in the clinic seems a lot more than in Australia.
Time off like we've got four weeks paid holiday.Americans get like 5 days.Some of them.It's crazy.I'm always like, how are you guys?How are you guys still alive?I, I remember when I started and I was, it was a little bit like, this isn't right.I'm not working enough because I'm in four day week, 38 hours and then some weekends.
And that definitely Australians are much more lifestyle focused than many other countries and they were hard working.But also there's a limit and then I'm off and that's completely acceptable.I totally agree it's completely acceptable Australians is like they want the to have good quality of life, enjoy the good weather, weekend the beach and do activities with it's made.
So yes, I agree with that.You're.Gonna make less money then you do it in the US, Yeah.But then, but then you realize that you also need to live your life right?Not everything in this life is having lots and lots and lots of money.And the reason I wanted to highlight that and I'm, I should promise I don't work for the Australian Tourism board or something, but it's a great lifestyle because the first stumbling block, I do see it on chat groups a lot with international vets is I'm considering moving to Australia.
What it's what's it like working in Australia and living in Australia?It's great.People worry about, am I going to earn enough money?Yes, you are.You're going to have a roof over your head.You're going to eat, you're going to have a you're not going to get rich as an employed rate, but you're not going to be poor.There's lots of work.It's a fabulous lifestyle.Definitely, definitely worth trying.
I mean, you could try it and then if you don't like it, you can always go back wherever you you want to live.But it's pretty amazing.I'd struggle to believe, Yeah.That's a really good point because the lifestyle was a massive, massive 1 for me.I realized that in Australia, you don't need to have lots of money to have a good life.
You can go to this beautiful, pristine beach and enjoy on a Saturday and it may be just 10 minutes from your place.You could even get on a boat with a friend that has a little boat.
And to have that lifestyle in Colombia, you need so much money, really I.Do like, as you say, a friend's little boat, because as a vetted Australia you're probably not going to buy your own big boat, but you can have friends with boats.
Exactly, you can have friends with boats.All right, let's get into the detail.So I've decided I think I want to have a crack at it.And for quick background, just why are you the expert on this other than you've gone through the process?OK, so I started Brainy Bilby with Doctor Antonella.
She's an Argentinian vet.We started Brainy Bilby, which is the only Australian website where an overseas veterinarian can study for the Abe exam.The reason why I wanted we wanted to start with this is because when I moved to Australia on 2017 and I realized I wanted to do the exam, that was absolutely nothing, nothing other than our Facebook group.
I didn't know anyone that had done the exam.If I were to ask someone in Colombia, they would say, oh, that's the hardest thing someone can can do in their lives during the board examination to get their license.And everyone just say, oh, that is just so difficult.So difficult to the point where they just put a barrier and that city is just extremely difficult.
End of story.But I, I really wanted to do it because I, when I came to Australia, I had to work as a waitress and do all of these little jobs to get by.And I was like, if I want to stay in Australia, I really want to get a good job.
I want to get a job within my industry.So I started that journey investigating so much.I did so much research to try to talk to so many people.And during that process I learned a lot and I realized that there was a gap and no one knows anything about it.
If you send an e-mail to the Australian Boards Council, they say, oh, go to the website and that's it.And the website really doesn't have all the information and you just feel lost.I learned so much over the course of those years and have having done all of the steps in the exam.
Now that I help all the vets doing the same and going through all the same process.I learned from my own experience, but also from so many experiences from our students at Brainy Bilby.You've made the road map on how to get.
Exactly.Exactly.All right, so let's go through that road map.So step one, I'm on the starting block on the roll the dice and where do I begin?Is it a write my exam first?Is it a get a visa first?Where do you begin?Yeah.So there are different approaches.
I guess the first thing is how to get to Australia, which I don't.We don't give any advice on immigration or visa, but it does really depend on the country that you are from, because for example, in the case of Colombia, unfortunately you cannot apply for a working holiday visa.
So that's way more difficult for us because we have to come here on a student visa and you have to study full time already, whereas if you come from Argentina, let's say you can apply to a working holiday visa.So it does depend on how you can get to Australia.
In my experience, it's better to get to Australia, start to get used to Australian lifestyle, work, doing whatever you can do and start your process within Australia.Because I've heard from other vets that want to do it being overseas because they don't have the money to come and pay for let's say an academic English course and then having all of those expenses, leaving rent, blah blah, blah.
So they decide to stay in their home countries.I think what I've seen is that the people that stay in their own country and start the process in their own country take way longer than people that come here.But it's important to know that everyone is different.
And if that's your situation, you can definitely do it from your home country.Like I have students from India, from Indonesia and Slovenia that are staying in their home countries, have been studying for two years and some of them are doing the exam on 2026 and they are not coming until they pass the exam because financially speaking, they can't just afford to come here.
And that's completely fine.It's possible.And I will add at the time, because I know lots of people when they look at immigrating to Australia get immigration lawyers, which is super expensive.I don't know if it's changed, but personally for me, we didn't use a lawyer and the immigration website has all the detail.
You just have to sit down, see it as an exam or a test and go through it step by step by step.But the information is all there.You're still going to have to do the work like the lawyer, they can't do it for you, but as long as you're applying for the right visa.Quick interruption here to tell us about some exciting things coming up for the vet vault.
You know there's monkeys that sit around in natural Hot Springs in the snow looking bad ass.Well, that can be you because in 2026 we are heading to the home of those very monkeys in Japan for our second combined Vet Vault Vets On to ACE event.
And I'm not calling it a conference because the word conference conjures up images of long days in large halls with no natural light and conference food and conference conversations.We are doing it differently.Like a conference, we will have world class speakers, but they're not just lecturing at you, they're engaging with you in a small group Vet vault style.
And unlike a conference, our events give you most of your days free to explore and have fun.We pack a lot of CE in at the start and the end of each day.And in the middle we are in the snow, or in exquisite little Japanese restaurants, or hiking or exploring.
Or like those monkeys in the Hot Springs.Bad ass.We're heading there from the 23rd of January to the 2nd of March in 2026 and tickets are now on sale.Beyond the educational and the social component, delegates also get access to an exclusive accommodation bundle that includes breakfasts, lift passes and our epic cultural evening.
Yes, it will be sake and yes, there is a hot spring.We would love for you to join us.Go to Vets on tour.com to find out more.OK, back to Doctor Natalia.OK, so let's skip visas.Get the information.You can do it.It is possible.It seems overwhelming.
I don't personally think you need a a lawyer.I hope it's not bad advice.What else?What's the next stumbling block?Where do people get stuck?All righty, so you are in Australia and you decided that you are going to do the exam.So the first thing that you're going to do is you're going to go to the Australian Veterinary Boards Council, go to the overseas vet section and read the PDF has really nice float charts.
But what you want to do, and you want to worry first about getting your English test done because a lot of students get stuck in this point.The reason for this is because you need a high score in all the sections of the English test.
You need a high score and depends on the exam.So I did the OET which is academic English test.Some other people do the Pte, some other people do the IELTS academic.I think that you go with whatever you feel more comfortable.I personally think the academic IELTS is extremely difficult.
I think that the RT is easier because it's related to your profession.So it's for professionals from the health industry, physiotherapists, doctors, veterinarians, and the writing and speaking section of the exam is catered for your profession.
They don't test you on your knowledge, they test you on your English.But it is more relatable and I guess less stressful.For example, for the RET, the occupational English test, in that time when I did it, you needed a score of seven in each section, which is a super high score.
And where I see a lot of students getting stuck is because they have been in Australia for a while.They already studied English and they haven't been speaking, and they feel super comfortable and fluent.They postpone their English for the last minute.
So what they want to do first is they want to organize their study schedule.They want to sit down and get a routine.And when they have a routine, they say, OK, now I have a routine, now I'm studying.I'm gonna start getting my paperwork and do the English test and the paperwork that you need to get ready to apply for the exam.
Plus the English test takes so much of your brain space and time that people become so stressed and they give up and they give up.Also after doing the English exam, paying for the English exam, which is expensive and not passing, they get super frustrated.
They're like, why didn't I pass?I've been in Australia for X amount of years.They apply again, they don't pass.So my point with this is that with any exam, I guess, but especially for the English exam is really not even about how fluent you are.
You've been in Australia for five years or whatever.You need to know the exam.You need to know what they want from you.You need to know how much time you have for the listening section.You need to prepare for the writing part.You need to know that they're going to give you different scenarios and you need to write either discharge letter for the owner, a referral letter for a specialist, or you need to know that in the interview they may ask you for like, oh, oh, hi, role-playing, my cat has hyperthyroidism.
What can I do?And then all of these little things.You need to know how the exam is.You need to be super knowledgeable about that.That's where people make the mistake.There is a guy in YouTube.For example, for the occupational English test or ET he gives all of these amazing tips.
He was so helpful.I imagine for the PT is the same.You can buy PDFs on the OR ET website for the writing section for the speaking part.And you can practice all of the all of these things that you can also buy a whole test different test.
You can time yourself at home and do it.So this is the most important thing.Even if your English is amazing, I'll I'll.Tell you, I'll tell you a story.I worked with a vet back in Perth, British vet, and for visa reasons she had to go do I don't know which one she did.
I suspect she did the ILTS i.e.LTS and she failed and she done a PhD in vet stuff and she didn't prepare because she was like, well, I'm English, that's not a it's just a formality.And she didn't actually pass it.She was very offended.Yeah, yeah.So it is an exam going to prepare for it.
It's great.Yeah exactly.I remember when I was working as an emergency vet nurse and one of the one of the vet nurses was a veterinarian from Italy.He had been in Australia for like 15 ish years and his English was you know like really good, really good English.
And he after seeing me kind of studying, I'm going for it.He's like yes, I'm going to do it too.I was like yes do it, you can't do it.And he's like oh and I'll leave the English test for the end.I was like don't do it.And he's like no it's fine, it's fine.Anyway, he did it his way.
He started studying really good.He had all the paperwork ready and he just needed the English test and he did it didn't pass.He did it three times and didn't pass.And he's like, there is no way I'm going to do this freaking English test again.
He was just so frustrated.He was just so over it because he didn't pass the exam.He he still hasn't done it.So jump the first hurdle first before you start committing.All the other time it's it's like the starting guard.The English exam is the starting guard.And don't run.Don't try running a race before you starting game because you kind of get sent back to the beginning.
Exactly.Great advice.All right, so English exam done and dusted.I have that.Then what's next exam?Yes.So then once you have your English and you have the score, you're going to get all the paperwork ready because it is a lot of paperwork.
You need paperwork from your country, you need to be registered in your country and you need to translate all of that paperwork.And something that I forgot to mention, which is very, very important, even before doing all of these, you want to check that your university is on the list of a world universities because not all universities from overseas have that extra recognition that allow you to take your degree to an over to a foreign country.
So for example, W Indies islands.So there are the majority of universities from that area for veterinary science.They're not in the world of listed universities.That means that unfortunately, you can't do the Ave.
That means that you will have to study that science again.OK, So there's different degrees of degrees of degrees.The 1st is so like mine, like the South African degree and I think British where there's reciprocity where they'll go.OK, cool, you can work here, no exam necessary.
Next is yes, you're allowed based on your degree, you're allowed to come sit the exam.And then there's the we don't believe that your vet degree is is worthy of vet degrees.So sorry you're out.You can't even do that it.Can happen like even from my city, there are a few universities that are not on that list.
So first check that and then once you know that the unit, your university is there, then you need to get your paperwork.While you get your paperwork sorted because that takes a while.You can get ready for the English test to study.That takes a chunk of time because when you have all of those things ready, you have to apply to the exam.
It's not that everyone they say yes to everyone, you need to apply, pay that fee, which is like, I don't know how much is it now, but it should be around 506 hundred review all of that.And then they said yes, we let you do the exam.
But it's important to know that you have to apply and get accepted and not every get accepted.What's it called?What's the exam called?In Ave.Australian Veterinary Examination.Simple Ave. quick practical question.
You said your documentation and you translate it into English.How do you do it yourself?Do you have to pay for a translator?It sounds.Like a for an official translator.Usually it's called Nati is the one that the the government prefers.NAATI is an official English translator, Yeah.
Awesome, now I've applied and they've said yes, we will let you sit our very fancy exam.Now what?Now that's it.They leave you on your own.They don't give you anything.They don't give you resources, they don't give you any tips.
You're on your own.So there's not like a guide of here are the things that you need to know.It's just like.Wow, that's the toughest part.You've done all of this work and you're like so motivated and then you got accepted and you're like OK, I'm going to pay the fee.
You pay the fee and then that's it.You're on your own.So that's where I realized that there was a gap because it's just so stressful.You're like, OK, well, I need to know everything about everything.Horse, cows, pigs, small remnants, horses, exotics, dogs and cats.
Where do I start?Right.And imagine how uproaming that is.Very.That sounds huge.Great question.Does your approval to do the exam lapse?Like how long do you have before you have to go sit your exam, how soon after can you set it and how long can you wait for?
Is there a time period the?Exam.The first exam is held once a year in April.So when you apply, you're sitting.You're applying for the intention to sit the next April.Yeah, you can't get that approval and wait for like 5 years.
You have to do it the next April.OK.Yeah, let's say a year.Yeah, OK.So you have maximum a year to study theoretically.Exactly.Another big problem now that we're talking about sitting the first part of the exam is that I see a lot of overseas vets freaking out about the cost.
They say there is no way I can afford that.How much?Is it to sit?Exactly.So that's a really good question.The application when I did it was around 500, but let's say in between 506 hundred to apply you get accepted.Once you get accepted, you have to pay the MCQ multiple choice questions.
That's the first exam when I did it was $4800.I think that now it's almost $6000.That's for the that's for the first part of the exam when you pass the multiple choice questions, which is held once a year in April, they give you 5 years to do the last exam.
OK.And the last exam when I did it had a cost of almost $8000.So I.Had a quick Google it right now.So ABA eligibility 508 dollars.Preliminary MCQ is 3400, but then the final filling exam is 9200.
Yeah.OK.So they changed the prices a little bit.When I did it, the final exam was 7000 and the Q was 4500.So I guess yes.Anyway, so a lot of people think that you need to pay all of that money at once.
And of course it's a lot of money.You don't even when you pass the first part of the exam, the multiple choice questions, if you get your temporary registration, you can work as a vet under supervision and you get 5 years, like I said, to do the practical.
So even you can save money to do the practical if you work for an employee that is very supportive.A lot of the times I've had students that the employee offers to pay the fees of half of the practical exam.That happened to me as well.
In that time my employee paid for half of the practical exam fee.So there are ways around it.So please don't get discouraged by the cost because everyone finds a way.How we all come from overseas and we all struggle financially.
Cost of living in Australia is expensive, the causes is expensive, renewing the visa is expensive.So at the end of the day, save the money, work hard.Everyone gets through it and everyone struggles financially and everyone finds a way.So, yeah, so.And, and just to be clear, I didn't know this.
So once you pass, so there's the one year mark, then you do the multiple choice quit exam.And if you pass that, then you have the ability to work as a vet.Just under.Supervision.Exactly So what?Does under supervision mean does it mean you can only work in certain types of practices?
Or is it just theoretically your boss has to say yeah I'll babysit Natalia for the next 5?Years.Exactly.That's a really good way of putting it.It's pretty much you need a babysitter so you can't work as a sole practitioner in a practice in a Sunday.
A lot of GP general practice hospitals they will open on Sundays and they may only have one vet.So you're not allowed to work as a sole vet and you're not allowed to dispense as 8 on your own.
You always need someone dispensing them.They say it's with you but other than that you can do everything else like a normal vet.OK.So you can do surgeries and you're fully fledged wages, they just don't trust you with the drugs.The only annoying thing is when you apply for those jobs, you're like, yes, I pass, I can get job a job as a vet.
Now on the interview, you do have to say, well, if you give me the job, you have to sign this legal document and that's not very nice.The document says that you are pretty much babysitting that veterinarian and that you are supervising that veterinarian because that veterinarian still is still not fully registered.
So because of that paperwork and because of the temporary registration, unfortunately your salary is quite limited and you do get paid as a new grad.OK, that's, that's my next question.Does it mean you're going to get paid less?Do do you with the people you work now?
Certainly a couple of years ago there was such a shortage of vets that I wouldn't have imagined it it would be too hard to get a job somewhere.Has it changed other people on your course?Are they finding it relatively easy to get jobs?You know?To be honest, back in the day when I did the exam and I was fishing for jobs, I did realize that a lot of practices are a little bit reluctant, but.
This is pre COVID right?No, that was after.Oh, really?OK, well.Yeah.So a lot of practices were reluctant to just sign that legal document.It's kind of new in that time was kind of newish for them.There are all the practices.They were super willing to do it.
And I found a job.Initially I applied to two places and they were like, yeah, no.And then I went to another place and straight away he gave me the job.So for practice owners listening, if you're looking for cheap labor, yeah, find how to stand the MCQ exam and.To be honest, you're going to get the best employee probably because you're so motivated.
All you want to do is finally work as a vet.You don't care about doing overtime.You don't care about like slaving your life away.All you want is to work as a vet.I made that as a joke, but you took it to oh.No, it's so true.Can I ask you about that, that multiple choice exam?
But I hear multiple choice.I always think, oh, it's not too hard.Or how hard is it, let's say, compared to your original vet degree?Because I'm wondering, let's say you have super planets.I'm a vet student, but I know I want to go to Australia and if I have all my ducks in a row, could I say I do my final vet exams and within that next year I'm going to do my Ave. so that that knowledge is still.
Because I if you tell me now 25 years after qualifying, you've got to go sit an exam on cows and remnants and stuff, I would fail.It would be very hard for me to study all of that.But if I've just studied it, how much harder is it?Was it than your let's say your original vet degree?
Yes, look, that's a very good question.I don't know if you relate to the day of your graduation at university, you graduate and you're like, uh, I just realized I know nothing about victory.Oh my God, that work is a bit, I know nothing.So even if you, yes, of course it's better than having done your degree, let's say 5-10 years ago.
But even is we've seen students that have done their degree, let's say a year after moving to Australia, a year before moving to Australia and you still need to study everything because unfortunately, yes, you need to know the Australian facts, which is super important.
Oh yeah, true be.Very aware with the Australian vocabulary in in terms of veterinary science.Late terms in large animals as well.So many words are kind of different for horses, the way they call their joints like fit, lock, coughing, bone, all of those things that you have no idea about.
So it's a massive adjustment when it comes to study.Also for epidemiology, you need to know the diseases that are threatening the border with Australia.It's just the protocols for like, let's say, which is easier, Australia vaccinations.But you know, the diseases like may affect Australia, but it may be not as common in other places, like let's say cryptococcosis in cats and expedulosis in dogs.
Like so many little things that you do need to know.Yeah, just to, because as you list these things off, I'm like, Oh yeah, wow.That because I didn't do that exam.These are things I, I had to learn.I had good experience with a lot of it from moving in South Africa and in the UK, but they were unique things.
But I just had to kind of pick it up from my colleagues if I had to do an exam on it.Yeah.And and again, to be clear, beyond your course, there's no resource that said, hey, here's what you need to know is an Australian vet.This is why we call the horses stifle joint in in Australia.
Yeah, no.So the document that is on the AVBC website, it gives you a few practice questions and it says you need to know these major topics for each species, but it's very broad.
Let's say horses, colic, pathophysiology of colic, cows, bloat.It's just so broad.I mean, it just doesn't really go into great detail.And do you guys go into that sort of detail on the brain will be?And yeah, so we take the students and we gave them a calendar for six months.
They can, they know what to study.We give them every resource to study.We give them the Australian facts, we add them to a private group where we discuss everything.So they are supported from the moment they start until they finish.
So that's the advantage with us and that's where the gap was in the market I suppose, which now we are helping overseas vets achieve their goals.So again, that multiple choice, if you have the study resources, is it hard basically what's the pass rate and what do we know if I put the work in, am I likely to pass it?
Yes.So that's a very good question.We don't really know the pass rates each year.I know that last year the pass rate was 60%.This is.Definitely not a given that's that's not far from 5050.Yeah, and the exam has two papers.
Paper one is basic knowledge in clinical science or anatomy, Physiology, pathology, blah blah blah. 2nd paper is clinical based, so it's all about cases in all the animals, but it is multiple choice questions.
And then you have they have something like 10 questions scattered all around the examination to know what level of difficulty of questions they need to create for the following years and to see how many people get them right or wrong to kind of assess, you know, the broad knowledge and all of that.
Cool.So after you pass that, then you've got some time, then you can work and study and then it's the last exam.Did you say that's a practical exam?It's.A practical, but also it's oral.So a lot of students elect to do the practical exam on the same year.
Some people elect to have a year off.Like it depends on what you want to do.But yeah, it's practical, hands on experience in all these species.And also it's oral.So when I say oral, you sit down, you go to Gatton University in QLD.
And is that the only place to?Is that like can you only do it at Gatton?Only do it at Gatton.Exactly.And if you are overseas, you do have to come to Australia to do that one and so you only do it at Gaten.The oral exam.
If you sit down with two examiners and they have a computer with a PowerPoint presentation and let's say they have a case about lameness in a cow from the beginning, you have a farmer that calls you because the cow has been lame for two days and the meal production has dropped by 20%.
What would you ask the farmer?And then you kind of, and it's talking, talking, talking, talking, talking.And it's, it's super scary.And every day the exam in Gaten, it's a week, you're there for a week.It's no one day exam.
You have to sleep there for a week.Well, Monday to Friday and every day you have multiple exams, a mix of oral and practical.And can they, would they put you in front of a live sheep and say, hey, do me a clinical examination on the sheep?I said evaluate the lameness in this horse, that sort of stuff.
Like, The funny thing about that is that, like, I had no idea about how to do, how to tip a sheep.Have you ever done that?Yeah.So our final exams at our vet school was the same.We had written exams and then we had each subject.
We had an oral exam with specialists and exactly like that they where you had to do stuff to horses and tipping sheep was high on the list of shit you had to be able to do.And there's a knack to it, right?It's like judo.So I was working with as a vet nurse with small animals for years and then I had to tip a sheep.
I had to go to Taree, a town in NSW to practice because I was lost.It was so funny.But yes, you need to know how to do an oral examination in a hose.How to put the mouse gag.How to do a lameness exam in a hose.
How to do a physical exam in a hose.Know all your vital signs in every different animal.How to apply an epidural to a cow.How to do Oh my God, how to do rectal palpation to assess for pregnancy.They give you 3 cows, 3 cows, and the examiner says, OK, you have 3 cows.
One is empty, the other one is pregnant, and the three months, the other one is pregnant about 3 months.You need to tell me which one is which one.And you have 30 minutes and then the examiner goes away, which is nice.You don't have that pressure.And then you're like, oh, you're like, literally.
Pull out your little mobile ultrasound and scan them secretly.Yeah, that's full on.And again, that was our exams.But the difference is that up to that point, that's what I've been doing for five years in a vet hospital is do all these things with people.
So by the time you get to that exam, you you'd like to think you have some sort of knowledge based knowledge in that.But if I had to do that now that's massive.How do you prepare for that Natalia?Because again, I would imagine that the majority of vets who come across, maybe I'm wrong, but I small these vets or want to do small these.
Is it like you did go spend some time with a regional vet somewhere, say show me how to direct those.How do I do a lens exam?So.You need to contact on your own.Again, you need to contact and unfortunately we we don't help students with this because we haven't really set up the practical part of the exam.
You need to contact mixed practices or large animal hospitals across Australia, say, look, I am willing to go to your vet hospital for two weeks and help you with whatever you need.And in exchange and you know, I can be with you on the road and you can show me how to do this, this and that.
And eventually you'll find a good soul that will feel sorry for you and will say yes.I mean, you can reframe it and say it's kind of fun.It's it's kind of different stuff to everyday small stuff, but it's time and commitment.That's the to.Be honest, the practical exams me was the most enjoyable part of all the process.
I absolutely loved it.It is just hands on.You also have to sit down and review everything for the oral exams.But it's just so fun.It's just completely different.You're already working as a vet, you know that you have all of this time to do the exam if you want, and you're there on a town having an adventure with a large animal vet and doing all of these things.
I enjoyed it so much.It was just the best experience.Do you have to do surgery?Do they watch you do surgery and stuff or not?Not that.Practical you do you have to do a spay or as historomy one of the in a in a dog.OK, Wow.Wow.
Huge and you have any idea pass right, but like do you know lots of people who who fail it still the practical exam OK.So that's a good question.With the practical exam also, there is this amazing part of it that the practical exam has very different components.
It's just not one exam like the first exam, the NCQ.In the practical exam, you are allowed to fail only one section and you they don't fail, you don't fail the whole exam.So let's say you fail the spay, you only have to do the spay part again, OK?
Oh yeah.So you failed pregnancy palpation, pregnancy diagnosis in chaos.You only have to do that one again.Or you failed oral part of the equine exam, but not the practical part of the equine exam.You only have to do that part of the the.
Next the next year.Well, the practical exam is held twice a year, which is OK.So, so over a five year period, you have to, it's almost like collecting badges as a, as a Boy Scout or a Girl Scout, over a five year period, you have to get all your badges to say, I could be any of these vets at a basic level, prove that to the examiners.
Exactly.That's right.Cool.Wow.So I'm trying to think time commitment wise, the quickest that you could get through this whole process starting from zero in my head, I've got two years, at least two to three years paperwork included as and I haven't done anything.
Now I've got to do my English exam, the whole works.So let's say I've got the ideal scenario, I've got lots of money and I just want to get through it as fast as possible.So but two to three years timeline.I would say two to three years.That's right, yeah.Versus I've got to still work and have a life and, and all those other things.
It's like a three to five year process really, right?Yeah, that's right.So you can, it can extend up to three to five years for sure.But I feel like even 2 years is a good amount of time to do it.Yeah, in my case, the whole process when I really started and committed to it and started to get the paperwork and all of that, it was the whole thing took me 3 years.
But because when I was about to do the multiple choice questions, they cancelled it because COVID was just getting started unfortunately.So then I had to they postpone it for a whole year.So then I was doing all of those things for three years, but I was going to do it everything on two years if it wasn't for the COVID.
OK, cool.That's really interesting.So, so tell me and then probably the the last part of it is actually working as a vet in Australia or even on that process, were there any surprising challenges, things that you didn't think about or didn't consider that you went, oh, this is harder than I thought.
Oh, flip side, this is way easier or better than I thought anywhere along this process, all the way to actually being in practice working as a fully fledged qualified veterinarian in Australia.Yeah, I guess getting that trust from people definitely takes time.When I say trust, it is in the in the way of oh, like you're a good vet and I and I did you.
Mean clients now?Oh no.Even with colleagues.So when I, when I started working as a vet in Australia, when I had limited registration, there were still a lot of things that I didn't know or some surgical procedures that I didn't know, or even names some names of medications that the trade name would be different in Australia.
And a lot of people, I find that they struggle to kind of understand your journey and they kind of misjudged that by, oh, this person doesn't know enough.So I found that.So you really have to gain the trust of people.But once you get the trust of your colleagues and stuff, it is pretty good.
But there are also some workplaces that are very, very supportive with overseas veterinarians.Something for me also was kind of the English, even though I think that my English is not really bad, there are some things that I struggle with in terms of culture and belonging.
So for example, which is nothing associated to being a vet because in a workplace where everyone is local, like I live on the northern beaches and everyone is Australian, they talk about something like a cartoon from childhood and they joke about it and I'm just, they're lost.
I don't know what they're talking about.Do I fake it?Do I try to laugh or should I just be that person?No, I don't know what you're talking about.And that happens all the time.I fight making fun of them for it when they have some cultural reference and I'll just go.
You guys know that the rest of the world has no idea what you guys are out about.You have your weird little 1980s, nineteen 90s Australian cultural references and it's way over my head.You're right, it's taken me.How long have I been here for?15 plus years.And now I get a lot of that stuff.
So I but yeah, you're right.They they forget that the whole world didn't listen to the same music that the Australians listened to at the same TV shows and breakfast cereals and stuff.But for example sayings as well sayings in English.So for example, the other day I was at work, someone I was talking about actually your the Mighty Networks part of the vet vault where you ask all of these questions about difficult cases.
And I was telling one of the vets, oh, these specialists said this and she asked me his name.And I was like, oh, this is his name.And she's like, oh, he's a mover and shaker.I was like, I was so lost.I was like a mover and shaker and I was, to me it sounds like a good dancer.
And then I was like, I had the courage to ask.I was like, oh, it was the meaning.What does that mean?What do you think means?I was like, good dancer.And she just laughed so much.He's the one that has done a lot of important things.
It's a good point actually, I I find reading Australian literature but not literature but books, fictional books helps for that a lot.Like I got specifically focused on reading books authored by Australians because a lot of that you'll pick up, they'll write about that sort of stuff, terminology and so non vet related stuff.
TV watching a lot of Australian TV, all the Australian TV watch the start by watching The Castle.Have you watched the Castle?The Castle, Yeah, yeah.If you watch The Castle, you're halfway there.You get about half the jokes that Australians make.Yeah, yeah.I have to watch a list of titles though, because that is just such a strong Australian accent.
I think that's super, super useful.I admire what you did to do that exam.That's huge.It takes a lot of courage.But I, I will also say, and I'm, I'm saying this as a middle-aged person, looking back at your life and career, a lot of these things that seem massive when you're in your 20s and you go three years or five years.
And it's the same with specializing people.I didn't specialize because it just felt too long and too expensive.But time passes so quickly and it's very easy to waste five years to be stuck in the same.I could say that 100% I was stuck in a job for five years that I didn't really want to be in, that wasn't going anywhere and at no particular plan.
And the whole time you're thinking I should do something else.And then you blink and it's five years and you go for.I could have specialized by now by the same toga, I could have done my Australian exams now.So a little bit of hard now, a little bit of suffering and it passes.I don't know.What you guys feel about that?
That's right.Yeah, That's the second point, isn't it?Don't postpone it because it's too hard.You don't want to sacrifice this and that time will pass regardless.And at the end of the day, three years, four years of your life in the scheme of things to achieve a big goal like, oh, you will be able to get a good job.
Three years and $15,000 with chance.Massive.But then once you're working, isn't it in Australia, it's just, it's a large amount of money, but you know you'll spend three times there on a stupid car.At some point in your life, you may as may as well invest in your future and your earning potential and future and lifestyle.
Exactly.So where do people find you, Natalia, if we want to want help with that exam because that sounds the prospect of doing basically my entire veterinary exams over without any guidance sounds petrifying.I think any help you can get, where do we find you?So you can find us at Brainy from brainbrainybilbyfromtheanimalwithy@theend.com dot AU, the website out there with all the courses we would blog for you to read stuff we're.
Just talking about Australians assuming that the rest of the world knows what we're talking about.What the hell is a bilby and why bilby as your animal?I know because we wanted, of course, the name to be somewhat Australian, and a bilby is such a cute little marsupial and it's an Australian native animal.
So eventually we kind of came with the idea of Brainy Bilby, and it kind of sounds cool.It does.It certainly catches your attention because you go, what the hell is Bilby?If you don't know, they were very cute.Some random obscure Australian nocturnal, but Superhill with pretty large ears.
Google it, It's cool.Thank you.All right, Zella, thank you so much for spending the time and for setting it up and helping other people get to where you are.Yes, of course.My pleasure.Thank you so much for having me at the Vet Vault.You know that I am a massive fan of the Vet Vault.
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