March 2, 2025

#138: Veterinary Specialisation Without The Residency: The ’Scenic Route’ You Didn’t Know Existed. With Dr Matt Booth (Part 2)

#138: Veterinary Specialisation Without The Residency: The ’Scenic Route’ You Didn’t Know Existed. With Dr Matt Booth (Part 2)

In this episode, Dr. Matt Booth—ER Practice Development Lead at Ethos Veterinary Health—reveals a little-known truth: the AVMA doesn’t actually require a residency to become a specialist.
We dig into why the traditional residency path dominates the conversation (despite its huge drawbacks) and explore the alternative routes most vets have never heard of. Dr. Booth breaks down how Recognized Veterinary Specialty Organizations (RVSOs) operate and shines a spotlight on the American Board of Veterinary Practitioners (ABVP)and its alternative specialisation options, like the hybrid credentialing pathway—a flexible, financially viable alternative that lets you level up without putting life on hold.
Whether you're feeling boxed in by outdated systems, stuck in your career, or simply craving new ways to grow in vet med, this episode is a must-listen.
🌏 No matter where you practice, these non-traditional paths could change everything.
🎧 Press play and challenge what you thought you knew about specialization.

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Season 1

“Did you know the AVMA doesn’t actually require a residency to become a specialist?”

Yeah, neither did we—until Dr. Matt Booth dropped that fact-bomb.

And it’s bigger than just an interesting fact - it’s a mindset shift that cracks the door wide open to alternative routes to specialisation—for veterinarrians who want to grow their careers, but can’t jump through the hoops of the traditional residency pathway.

 

So, if you are:
- Ambitious, but feeling a bit stuck

- Limited by the realities of life outside the clinic

- Or just curious about your options in veterinary medicine

This one’s for you.

Join us for part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Matt Booth—former ER practice owner and  ER practice development lead at Ethos Veterinary Health—as we rethink what’s possible in the future of specialisation.

 

Topics and Time Stamps

 

02:04 Alternative Specialisation Routes

03:17 Challenges and Benefits of Non-Traditional Paths

09:17 Exploring the Hybrid Credentialing Path

19:31 Podcast Recommendations

21:54 Pass along question

 

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ALTERNATIVE PATHWAYS TO VETERINARY SPECIALISATION

For veterinarians seeking advanced training and recognition without following a traditional residency, there are several alternative routes available. While residencies remain the most common path to board certification, some specialties offer other ways to achieve specialist status or advanced credentials. Here's a breakdown of the options and clarifications.

✅ Key Clarifications

  • The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) does not directly control specialty certification. Instead, it recognises Recognised Veterinary Specialties Organisations (RVSOs), which are responsible for setting the standards for their diplomates (specialists).
  • While the AVMA does require RVSOs to offer residency pathways to board certification, it does not require that residencies are the only pathway. Some specialty colleges also offer alternative or experiential paths to board certification.
  • Importantly, alternative paths are still rigorous, structured, and require significant documentation of training, experience, and examination.

Alternative Paths to Board Certification

1. American Board of Veterinary Practitioners (ABVP)

  • The ABVP certifies veterinarians as specialists in species-oriented clinical practice areas such as:
    • Canine and Feline Practice
    • Avian Practice
    • Equine Practice
    • Food Animal Practice, among others.
  • The ABVP's certification is often described as producing "board-certified generalists," acknowledging advanced knowledge across a broad field of practice.
  • Pathways to ABVP certification are flexible. Unlike many RVSOs, a formal residency is not required. Veterinarians can pursue credentialing via an autonomous, practice-based pathway, meeting experience requirements and completing rigorous case documentation.
  • ABVP credentials are robustly validated through regular job task analyses and psychometric validation of exams to ensure they reflect the current demands of practice.
More info: ABVP official site

2. Alternative (Experiential) Pathways with Other Colleges

Some specialty colleges, like the American College of Veterinary Emergency and Critical Care (ACVECC), have historically offered alternative training pathways alongside residencies. However, the availability of such routes has decreased over time, and many colleges now prioritise structured residency programs.
  • Note: Alternative or experiential pathways (sometimes called "non-traditional" or "mentored" pathways) typically require extensive case logs, mentorship, publications, and rigorous examinations.
More info: ACVECC website

🔹 Hybrid Credentialing Pathways

Some organisations are innovating new training models. For example:

Ethos Veterinary Health – ER ABVP Path

  • Ethos Veterinary Health has created a structured 36-month hybrid training program designed to support veterinarians pursuing ABVP certification in Emergency Practice.
  • The program blends aspects of traditional residency training (mentorship, case reviews, didactic learning) with the flexibility of experiential pathways, including:
    • Synchronous and asynchronous learning
    • Case report preparation
    • Research and publication opportunities
    • Regular performance feedback and guidance

Other Advanced Training Options (Non-Board Certification)

1. Fellowships

Fellowships are post-specialisation training opportunities designed to develop expertise in highly focused areas.
  • Typically only available to already board-certified specialists.
  • Examples include:
    • The American College of Veterinary Surgeons (ACVS) offers fellowships in areas like surgical oncology.
    • The American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (ACVIM) has options for subspecialty fellowships.
    • The ABVP offers a Fellowship in Emergency Practice for ABVP diplomates to complete an additional 18-month advanced training program.
More info:

2. Postgraduate Certificates (UK and beyond)

  • In the United Kingdom, the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS) offers postgraduate certificates (e.g., CertAVP – Certificate in Advanced Veterinary Practice).
  • These are modular, flexible programs designed for practicing vets seeking advanced clinical knowledge without the full commitment of a residency or diploma.
More info: RCVS CertAVP

3. Memberships – Australia and New Zealand

  • The Australian and New Zealand College of Veterinary Scientists (ANZCVS) offers Memberships (MANZCVS) as a credential signifying advanced knowledge and skill in a specific area of practice.
  • Achieving Membership involves a significant study commitment and passing a rigorous examination, positioning vets between general practice and specialist-level expertise.
  • For some fields, Membership may lead to eligibility to pursue Fellowship (FANZCVS), which is the region's specialist-level credential.
More info: ANZCVS

🔹 Have We Missed Any?

Some other growing areas to watch include:
  • Master’s-level programs (e.g., MSc in advanced clinical practice).
  • Microcredentials and digital badging from universities and online providers.
  • Expanding industry-led training pathways (especially in ECC, imaging, and surgery).

WHY VETERINARY MEDICINE NEEDS TO RETHINK SPECIALISATION ROUTES

Veterinary medicine may benefit from re-evaluating specialisation routes to allow smart, passionate people, who may be prevented from growing because they can't complete the necessary residencies, to progress in their careers. According to the sources, rethinking specialisation routes may address issues related to accessibility, talent retention, and evolving industry needs.
Reasons to rethink veterinary specialisation routes:
  • Tradition vs. progress: Sticking to traditional methods can be limiting. It may be beneficial to consider new approaches.
  • Residency limitations: The practicalities of the residency pathway to specialisation is a key reason why many people don't end up specializing. A traditional residency may involve long hours, bad pay, and relocation, which is not feasible or desirable for everyone.
  • Alternative paths: Alternative paths to board certification offer means of specialisation that do not require a residency.
  • Hybrid approach: A hybrid credentialing path blends the good aspects of a residency with those of an experiential path to board certification, offering accountability, motivation, and direction.
  • Catering to the generalist: Creating specialisation and training opportunities for generalists can improve patient care and support for referring vets.
Did you know that the ADMA does not require that a person go through a residency to become a specialist in anything?Well, did you?If you're curious about that statement, keep listening.I'm Yuva Neustra, and you are listening to the Vetrol, where we love finding different pathways, the back doors, the emergency exits, and the Citi groups that get you to where you want to go in your veterinary career.
And in this episode, we are learning about alternative pathways to specialization.In our previous episode, you met Doctor Matt Booth, who is the ER Practice Development lead at Ethos Veterinary Health and a former emergency vet hospital founder and owner.We talked about staff retention and emergency practice, which was a great conversation if you haven't listened to it by the way.
But towards the end of our conversation, Matt just casually dropped this bomb of a question.Did you know that the AVMA does not require that a person go through a residency to become a specialist in anything?Which led us down a whole new conversation that I thought deserved an episode by itself.
So here it is.This one is for anyone who is in that stuck place in their career where you are like, I know I want to go further, but I can't or I don't want to go through the traditional residency path to specialization Because let's face it, the prospect of three years or more of very long hours and usually very bad pay.
Doing a residency wherever you can get that residency, which is probably not in your hometown where you have friends and support and possibly family, is simply not practically possible for many people.In fact, the practicalities of the residency pathway to specialization is a key reason why many people don't end up specializing, which is a shame because I think that the profession misses out on a lot of talent when smart, passionate people who can't jump through the necessary hoops are prevented from growing.
So the career is just kind of fizzle.So if you are one of those smart, passionate people, this one is for you.I think it's going to make you think a bit differently about the next five years of your career.Let's get into it with Doctor Matt Booth, Round 2.Did you know that the ADMA does not require that a person go through a residency to become a specialist in anything?
You told me that when we talked last time, and it was just partially why I wanted to follow up, because I you dropped that as a little bombshell at the end of the end.It was like what?That.No, I did not know that.So I do know it only because you told me so.But I still don't know if I believe you.What?The ADMA requires is that every, it's called an RVSO recognized veterinary specialty organization.
So from there ADMA knows all of them has RVS, OS each one of them knows themselves as board or college.So if you hear me say board or college, they're all the same thing.So you can the American Board of Veterinary Toxicologists or the American College of Veterinary Servants, all board certified specialists.
There's 22 right now, ADMA recognized boards of page board certified specialists.OK.And even a requires that each one of those RVS OS offer residency as route to board certification.However they do not require you go through a residency, you become a born terrified specialist in anything.
So the next step is well, why doesn't everybody offer alternative has the board certification?And I know you're thinking.I know you're answering the question.I, I don't know, it's just the norm.It's just, it's the, it's the crap you have to go through to be able to tick that box.
That sounds like fraternity azing right now though.See, that isn't that?Wouldn't that be odd?Yeah, I it's, I just didn't know it was an option.Well, I'll tell you this.I think I'll hold off on my opinion about why, and I'll leave that for your audience to kind of just Stew on a bit and say why is that?
But here's a cool but.Is it not?Is it?Is it part of it?And I'm not going to.That's I, I wonder.It's almost like an initiation.But you can't be a specialist if you haven't gone through the same shit that I did for three years.But why?Seth Godin talks about the dip.
Anything worthwhile achieving has to be associated with a a dip with a period of difficulty and sacrifice to make it worth.You can have difficulty in sacrifices without with your residency.See to me residency means like you're guaranteed to have rule.OK.And really horrible hours.
I'm, I'm generalizing again, like I'm, I'm exaggerating.I know like if we've stacked at these killer residencies, you can't deny that the education you're getting is off of the charts without question.And so I just want to make sure everybody knows I believe in residency is 100% not at all.
Here's the thing, if we're moving forward as a profession, should we sit back and these arcade mindsets?You know what, it is a big red flag to me.I used to tell myself this all the time.If I ever say to you, I've been doing it like this for the last 15 years, that's the first time you say, hey, you need to rethink this job.I've been doing it that way for the last 25 years.
Whatever it is, it's like, well, that's really not a good thing.And so I think as a profession, there's other opportunities and I know there's, I already know there's and that's what I'm leading into right now.So there are alternative genital board certifications, a couple of of the elecologists have or had them like New York College or veteran emergency critical care had an alternative path to board certification.
And in fact, some of the people that you know that are super high level players in that world are alternative path board certified specialists and the 8 American Board of other practitioners is one of the RVS OS that offers alternative paths to port certification.
Now remember, residency is not what makes the specialist, you know, it has to do with likely the person and the program that they do through all these sorts of things.And it's really what are you looking for as your end result.So the ADMA also requires that the RVSOS that they go through job task analysis on a routine basis.
I think it's like every five years.So the job task now, are you familiar with this at all?Job task analysis is to say, OK, so if you're a board, board certified cardiologist and you go to your cohort of cardiologists and you put them through this, it's an investigation.
And so then you take that information of what all they need to know and you create an exam based on those different percentages.That's how they create their exam based on the job test analysis.Because it's going to change in morph as medicine changes in morphs, right?And so then that exam has to be psychometrically validated by an independent third party on a routine basis as well, so that the exam ultimately has the qualifier for once you pass this, you are now you're on that level, entry level board certified specialist.
You're following me, right?OK.So same thing happens for ABVP.The American Board of Energy Practitioners essentially is creating board certified generals.I'm going to put that in quotations.They're like I'm a board certified AEDP diplomate in canine and feline practice.
So I would call myself a keen and feline generalist generalist poison quotes because that's not that official terminology.So we go through that same G JTA and then we have our exam is required that it be exam validated, psychometrically validated by the city companies that do the all the weapons, whether it's script or care or servants or just whoever.
It is an interesting thing as cuz ABDP wanted to ensure the process of becoming an ABDP diplomat through the experiential paths.That's one of those alternative paths that you may have heard.
Have you ever heard of ABDP?Yeah, I've heard of the term, but I didn't really know what it meant.So this is.Big.But a lot of people in the States, especially the job practices, are very familiar with it.I think more of the special circum, more familiar with it, ADDP voluntarily put their program through program validation by the same company that does this psychometric validation for the surgeons and the dentists and some other of the board certified specialists.
And it passed, not just passed, but passed strongly, no, to my knowledge.And that I would love for any of the any of your listeners to tell me if there's somebody that knows more about this than I do.No residency programs will put their self put themselves through a program validation because they don't have to and there is potential that they would not pass.
So they're not required to.So why do it?So this is just a it's not to diss anybody what it is just to show that could get in contrast that what it is trying to show is that ABDP because it is it's so hard to under like what did you do and how did you become that this alternative path?
And that's one of the ways to convey the information that it's not just us saying that that is what it is.It is an independent third party that everybody sees trust for all their examinations.But here's another cool part we.Have the only.One of its kind, it's about the launch in December where the enrollment is officially complete now for ADP calls it a hybrid credentialing path through Ethos.
We caught the guided, the ER guided ADP path to board certification.And now this is a third way that you can become a board certified specialist.So you could go residency, you could go alternative path and then you could go to the guided path, which is essentially a hybrid.
Here's what is the hybrid of.It's a true blend of taking the good parts of a residency and leaving the not so desirable pieces off to the side.The horrible pay, the horrible hours and saying the good part of a experiential path, an autonomous path, the board certification and keeping the less desirable like the lack of accountability, how to stay motivated, lack of direction, keeping all that stuff out to the side and blending these two together to create only of its kind in the nation For Canaan.
Feeling practice, opportunity for people to become board certified, generous.It's primarily for our ADP diplomats.It's a 36 month long program.It has both required synchronous and asynchronous learning.
There are case summary writings, there's publication opportunities.So you can eliminate half of your writing requirements by becoming a published author, which we help you from day one all the way to publication of your journal article.All supported with defined support and defined curriculum.
So you can, you know, remember, I don't know if it's just how they did it for you best of all, but you come in first day and they give you a notebook and probably not like a notebook you were, but you can literally.See every.Hour of every day where you'd be, it's it's like, it's a modern version of that for a person that is actually making a full wage.
I'm going to borrow 30 seconds of your time to tell you about something that I am super excited about and then we'll get straight back to Doctor Matt.I think I've told you already that I've officially joined forces with the team at Vets on Tour, a great little company that hosts world class continuing education in world class locations.
We finally got all of our ducks in a row for our 2025 conference, which will be on the 10th to 15th of August in the snow in Wanaka, New Zealand.Our website is now live at Vets on tour.com.That's Vets on tour.com so you can check out the details, but hold off on buying tickets.
We're currently selling pre release discounted tickets to our Vet Vault clinical subscribers and to previous attendees.But once those tickets are sold out, which is almost or on the 10th of March is the cut off date, we will release our standard early bird tickets, which will save you 20% on our standard ticket pricing.
So if you go to the website now, you'll see standard ticket pricing.Hold off till the 10th of March.Put it in your diary. 10 March, Vets on tour.com early bird tickets.It's an epic little conference with great CE, including some live podcasting, but also lots of free time for snow fun or hiking or fishing or just taking in the splendor that is the Southern Alps of New Zealand.
And I say little because the event is capped on 80 tickets.So don't dilly dally.Okay, back to Doctor Matt.So let me clarify quickly.So the autonomous path, one could do that.Now that's there.Now, how would you if if somebody wants to do that, you contact the there's.
Two things about that.So yes, anybody can do an autonomous path, the board certification through the American Board of practitioners and you would go to their site and you said if you come specialist and you just start reading it and kind of track down their own mentor.What we've done is we've taken out a lot of the, the struggles and so we've created an environment that for people in our network, any emergency practitioner that's wanting to go down that path, we have all the mentorship built in.
We have all the answers to all the questions.We have a, a virtual team support center where we go through your case summaries.So we've really taken out the curiosity, let you get down to just, I suggest you're going to be a practitioner and you're going to be practicing medicine and that's what you're going to focus on.
And when you have one of these hiccups, like I don't know what to do here, we got that, we'll take care of that.Do you know, Matt, is this just the, the pathways you're talking about?Is that US only like some an Australian listener?Could I contact you guys and say, hey, I I want to do this pathway from Australia.
I want to keep my job.I want to still earn a salary and not, as you say, not be abused that I've should pay for three.Well, I have to tell you, we were the Vet Partners was part of Ethos, this part of me being first and sadly I won.
I would be out there all the time visiting you guys.Sadly, Vet Partners is no longer a part of Ethos.However, it's currently international in that it's North America.So we have 6 Canadian ER hospitals and then there's an NDA Canada candidate that's going to be a part of that as well.
But we have 6 Ethos hospitals in Canada and we have some of their, their folks jumping in on the program as well.And exclusively for the guided you'd have to with the guided is the the hybrid plan I was talking about.You would have to be in that if you ever, if anybody wants to be a part of ABVP and they're in Australia with tons of people you're watching, If you are interested in doing it, you just go to the ABVP website and you say it become, you know and.
And you could do that from anywhere.Anywhere.Wow.Yeah, it's cool.It's very cool and it's only for that in quotation marks, the generalist qualification, there's no similar pathways to become and at this point to become an ECC specialist near DACVEC or medicine or something.
No.However, ABV.So have you heard of fellowships?And so the fellowships you already notice are advanced training for a board certified specialist.You cannot go through fellowship training.Well, you can go through fellowship training, but you can never be a fellow a trained fellow until you become a board certified specialist in any American College of Veterinary Surgeons has fellowships and things like maxillofacial procedures and mentally invasive procedures.
So they have a few fellowships.ACDIM has fellowships that they provide to their different needs after board certification.ADDP also has fellowships and so one of their fellowships now is a fellowship in emergency practice.
So picture this, I'm a board certified generalist and then after that I do 18 month long intensive training under a fellow or family fellow in emergency practice with a specific regimented curriculum and requirements.
And once I complete that and it's approved, I'm now a fellow in emergency practice.Now remember when you become an emergency practice fellow, you're not a criticalist because think about really learn.I'm not saying it always says emergency critical care in the name.And yes, there's no question the emergency critical care specialist, they know emergency medicine like they educated on emergency medicine like that's not to be debated.
The interesting thing is what we'd be creating is more in line with what you would see on the human floor in an emergency room.So right now, if you go into the ER at a vet hospital, picture in your mind's eye, who's going to receive?
You, you mean in terms of the doctor that's you're going to see, it's going to be AGP vet who happens to work at night, it's going to be me.I don't have any special qualifications.Correct, Sir.Now, now, let's go to the human side.When you go into the ER, who do you normally see?
Yeah, Would it be a specialist?That's correct.And so if we can create specialist to one, we're creating, you know, highest level practices, we're reaching that higher purpose, which is provide the very best patient caring client service that we can.Like we're then saying those to the ability to provide to the referred veterinarian at that very highest level.
They are experts in the field.They are the boards are found just that I would want my cardiologist loved me and not just the cardiologist.I was like talking about them, but they're right.And that's on.I'm not going to get any calls tonight.I think we're good.Like they love that stuff, right?The sergeants would drop off on Friday nights.
They're like, we've got APU here or you're going to do it, You know, like absolutely, I'm going to do it because they they had to do it a lot.But it was the fact that I was a RMO practitioner.I really was because of the board certified generous.It makes a difference.And so it's something to consider as you go through this.
Now, there are certificates out there and I think certificates are helpful for people.I think some people really like it because it's not.They don't feel as committed to the process and they're going to become more educated.They're going to be better practice.Using a certificate is something that people are interested in.
There's going to be a lot of certificates out there for people to obtain and some of them are through the Veterinary Emergency Critical Care Society in partnership with American College of Veterinary Emergency Critical Care, and they have different levels.There's a student, I think there's an early intrigue and then more of an advanced practitioner certificate.
In the year in Australia, we have the Australian New Zealand College of Veterinary Surgeons membership level, which is like the the step between specialization, which is again, that's a significant commitment.It's a good year and a half of serious study and a very serious exam.You guys, you don't have anything like that, do you?
No, there's nothing like that.There's been discussions about that, those programs.I think I'm going to have to create a show notes for this with links to all of these things because it's just opened my mind and I think so many people won't be aware of these to say what is next.I am stuck.And traditionally it's just, well, I can specialize through the the residences, but I love this.
I think I'm going to have to create a resource and if you check it and see if it's correct and go here, if there's a little, a little road map, man, we can talk for days and days and days.I love this conversation.I love the way you think about stuff.I think we do have to wrap up.Otherwise it's going to be a four part series.
We do have to do the wrap up questions.You're not going to get away without that because we didn't do it at at Ibex last year.So first of all, are you a podcast listener?You know I am not, but I do know podcasts.What's the one that you know?
It's Tales from the Crips, that's what this Tales from the Crips, and it's a man named Kevin Crips.He's a really good Colorado kayaker, whitewater kayaker, and he interviews all of these whitewater kayakers from.
Varying parts of the world with varying experiences.And it's an interesting conversation that a lot of people probably would never maybe were into that world.When you hear some of these stories, you just think they're they're going to be real.Are you?Kaika, is this why you know about this?Our family, we're all Whitewater voters.
Oh, it's how my partner and I met and Yep, still to this day.It's one of the reasons we live in Rosso.So you're not a podcast listener, which is a mistake.Obviously you have to get rid of the program, old man, but the books that you've read recently that have changed the way you view the world.
Ironically, most people didn't know me would laugh and say he's not having books because I know he doesn't read and I didn't talk to people.But I don't really read.It's kind of more of AI had to keep my image up with the Bros on the ski on the line.So I I tell you, I don't read.
I know how to read.I just don't do it very often.But that's not actually true.Two books #1 for this podcast is the 5 Languages of Appreciation in the Workplace.Read it cover to cover.That goes back to the leadership and the culture illustrating the value your employees have.
You like that's number one.And then the other one is I'm reading, I don't even know what it's called, but I'm reading the 10th grade textbook for the government class because I'm learning all about the community, government and main events that enlightenment.I'm not going.To be reading that one, I'm not adding that to my reading list, right?
Sorry.No, I will say, though, it's an interesting kind of contrast for people that have never thought about anything other than just how the United States government works.It's very interesting and I encourage everyone to kind of look outside to their aspects of the world and see how other countries are doing their thing.
There's a lot of good happening out there at such a.Different perspective because it's these days it feels like everybody's trying to focus on all the bad out there.So I love that statement of it's a lot of good out there, just go looking for it.Yeah, yeah, for sure.Now pass along question where I get a previous guest to ask a question for my next guest and the one that you are landed with.
You're a good person to answer this actually because you probably have data to back your answer up.What do you believe contributes to a long and meaningful career in veterinary medicine?Everything.We've just discussed the five buckets.What I'm going to say is likely it somewhat does relate to some of the, the stuff that we talked about meaningful career.
So contribute to a long and meaningful career.So the long part is there's always, so I'm always coming from the ER world.So I'm going to write here veteran medicine.I'm thinking ER, how do you have a long career?I tell you exactly how I have a long career.You leave on time.
The, the lights never turn off in the ER.There's always more to do.Everyone always needs more help.If you stay, everyone's always going to find more stuff and they're always going to until you get wrecked and then they see you're wrecked and you do it repeatedly.That creates an unsustainable environment.And I can tell you without question that over the course of my career, when I would leave on time routinely, I would get the glares I would get.
The people.That I could tell were kind of not stuff.The fact that I would leave and invariably over the years many of those same people would come up to me later and they would say things like all the reason you are still in and able to do it for 25 years was because you always left on time and you always wrote your records.
Like probably that would be the long I'm going to.I have this idea, I will start making merge for the red vault where I have one liners from guests that I think are super relevant and I think I think leave on time is going to be on AT shirt.
I like that.Leave them on time and support people to leave them on time.Make that the norm, not the judgement on who's not staying as late as everybody else.Make the judgement on why are you not having you need to be gone.I got this.It's bringing it in.So let me do this.You get out of your kit.
The meaningful is is easier for me now because I'm in this role and having this opportunity to help so many people.And I would like to say for a meaningful for the people who may not have be in the same role, which is going to be unlike most of them, we're going to be don't.
I would say this is a Turpin Mott.Turpin Mott's a man that you should have on here as well.And I'm happy to share his information with you.You create your own narrative.You create your own narrative and whatever you believe that you want to believe will likely be more true.So whatever it is, you create the narrative and that's going to be your the way to have a meaningful career as far as you know, just perception and feeling and vibe and helping to create a culture in your house.
Question for my next guest.Question for your next guest.OK, so here's what we got.Taking away everything that we know about veterinary medicine.So making nothing quote a standard, that's how we've always done it.
What would you then have in place like So what would you how would you have things operating now if there were no limitations as far as how things have been up until something you know a lot about the profession.Now you have to just wipe out every single the norm and standard and and like you just take so all these things infiltrate our day-to-day how we.
Operate as.So burn down the house and rebuild it the way it should be.Basically the way it should be.Burn down the house.Give me two or three things of how it should actually be.Cool.Like that one, Matt, that was totally epic.I really enjoyed that.
As you can tell, I love talking about this stuff.So I appreciate you coming out twice.And as you said, we'll, we'll we'll have to have around 3 at some point.Thank you for taking the time and thank you for doing all this important work and the research.It's really, really interesting to all the things that we think we know to actually look at the data and say, all right, maybe I don't know everything.
Well, I can tell you're very gifted as I have.I have listened to some podcast you you definitely have a yes.So good for you for making this happen.Awesome.Thank you very much.Matt, before you disappear, I wanted to tell you about my weekly newsletter.
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Dr Matt Booth